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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

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How can you even attempt to compare them - Sooners and Bulls = apples and oranges. As time went by I like to think that we were getting closer, but still to far apart to compare.

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if leavitt was as good as stoops he would be coaching at a traditional powerhouse...

Like Alabama?

yes

Glad we agree that he could have been as good Stoops if given the same chance ...

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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

Thing is, you don't know how he would have done with the same opportunity as Stoops ... USF/Oklahoma ... apples/oranges ... as it's been pointed out.

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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

Thing is, you don't know how he would have done with the same opportunity as Stoops ... USF/Oklahoma ... apples/oranges ... as it's been pointed out.

and all im pointed out is that the coaches who are the best, are given the best opportunities.

there is a reason why stoops is the head coach of oklahoma and CJL is/was where he is

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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

Thing is, you don't know how he would have done with the same opportunity as Stoops ... USF/Oklahoma ... apples/oranges ... as it's been pointed out.

and all im pointed out is that the coaches who are the best, are given the best opportunities.

The more you say, the more you back me up .... Leavitt WAS given one of the best opportunities, so, based on YOUR criteria, he WAS one of the best.

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So he would have had, and has had several opportunities but was just dumb enough to staty loyal to USF.  And look where they loyalty got him.

Perhaps he should have considered his loyalty to his players and their parents, instead of a school or football program.

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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

Thing is, you don't know how he would have done with the same opportunity as Stoops ... USF/Oklahoma ... apples/oranges ... as it's been pointed out.

and all im pointed out is that the coaches who are the best, are given the best opportunities.

The more you say, the more you back me up .... Leavitt WAS given one of the best opportunities, so, based on YOUR criteria, he WAS one of the best.

i haven't seen anything that says he was formally offered the position... maybe he turned it down, but he probably didn't... who makes like 140k base 2k2 then turns down over 1mil plus... cmon...

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Mizzou you bring up a good point. If Leavitt had the benefit of being the head coach of a REAL football school, with a REAL football tradition, with REAL fan support, with REAL big time college football facilities and a REAL BIG TIME FOOTBALL BUDGET what would he have accomplished. It seems like our talent always lagged behind our progress - Division 1AA with raw players, moving up to Division 1 and into Conferrence USA with Division 1AA talent. Then into the Big East with mid-major talent. Always winning at each level. We were just starting to recruit some big time talent (Giddens) and he gets canned. We will never know what could have been, if anything. However, to say he was not a good coach doesn't add up to the facts. To me anyway.

i think CJL was a good coach... def had some flaws but he has forgotten more about football than any of us on here know...

the thing is... he is being compared to stoops in this thread... which is hilarious.

Thing is, you don't know how he would have done with the same opportunity as Stoops ... USF/Oklahoma ... apples/oranges ... as it's been pointed out.

and all im pointed out is that the coaches who are the best, are given the best opportunities.

The more you say, the more you back me up .... Leavitt WAS given one of the best opportunities, so, based on YOUR criteria, he WAS one of the best.

i haven't seen anything that says he was formally offered the position...

How convenient ...

who makes like 140k base 2k2 then turns down over 1mil plus...

Someone who has what he considers his deam job ... and especially a job that has the potential to eventually get up there as far as compensation is concerned .... but, even then, it's not always about the money. One day you'll realize this...

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maybe I'm missing something, but I don't remember us having a winning record in our conference or ever winning the sunbowl....

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