Ranked Coaches Salaries comparison

[Bull94]

Do you think leavitt turned down UF D job to come to USF? I think not.

He turned down the head coach job at Alabama twice and the K-state head coach job which both offered significantly higher salaries than he was making in order to stay at USF...so what's your point?

Let Leavitt make some sacrifices for this program. Let him come up with more money for quality assistants.

I believe IncrediBULL has been trying to tell you the many sacrifices Leavitt has made over the past 12 years but you aren't listening, just taking the current situation and ******** that he isn't making any further sacrifices

I assume if you sacrificed on pay in your job you would cut that pay for the newcommers once you finally start to make a significant salary. Also, in your comparison to other coaches it would be interesting to compare their tenure as well as the the salary each coach was making in the same year, ie...Leavit's salary his first year vs WVU's coach in his first year.

again you ghuys don't understand what it takes to runa successful business. and college football is just that.

I used to own a couple of retail stores. I could have cheaped out and hired people for M wage but I didn't. I hired quality workers and paid them more. I sacrificed for the good of my business. In the long run I was more successful than the guy who hired on the cheap. He went out of business because his employees weren't any good. I went on to sell the business for a profit in part because I hired people that did a better job and helped me grow my business. they appreciated the extra pay and I appreciated their hard work.

If leavitt continues to hire on the cheap then he will eventually be fired. If he wnats to be successful then he needs to sacrifice a little now and hire good quality employees. It will pay off in the end when he has a long and successful career.

[IncrediBULL]

So, you are for wealth distribution?

I jest....

Definitely sounds like the philosophy of an Obama supporter....  Lets tax the 5% who are already paying 50% of taxes, a little more....

But then I can save that for the Mad Cow Lounge...  :-)

no it actually sounds like a smart business man.

If I'm a contractor and respect my business and expect to produce quality work do I go out and hire the cheapest labor I can find and pay them 1/10th what I make?

Or do i go out and find quality workers and pay them 1/5th of what I make and have them do a much better job for me thereby increasing the value of my business in the long run?

you guys aren't very bright are you? Would you be happy if leavitt hired a High school OC and paid him $75k or a guy like UF OC and paid him $290k? Do you think you get better work for higher pay?

Trust me, I know a hell of a lot more about business than you do, by the appearance of your logic.  

Leavitt is not the owner, only a paid employee and manager.  He can lobby the CEO/President for more pay for people, but he should not have to suggest a cut for himself because the rest of the company is not paid well.  Again, think Obama.  Lets take from the rich and give it to the poor.  I like french fries as much as the next guy, but I am not giving up $10 an hour so the fry cook can make more money.  I'll stop eating fries first.  

And the business owner is the person with all of the risk.  He has to have insurance, meet overhead, provide admin/support costs and responsibilties, pay for electricity, etc...    The workers, while they shoudl be rewarded for success, are merely workers and do not bear as much risk as the ceo/president/owner.   Leavitt is the COO.  Not the CEO nor the CFO.   Those tasks are for others.  Certainly as COO he should ask for more pay this year based on the lack luster results from the OC, but if the CFO says there is no budget, then there is no budget...  

Hell, I would work for free and give everyone who works for me a raise, and make them delighted, and maybe even bring on more talent, but I'd tell you that you are out of your fricken mind if you asked me to do so.....  

[Bull94]

Don't give me the "Leavitt deseves the money because he built this program from hours  of wotk BS.

Leavitt deserves everything he has, but it's not like coaches at other schools aren't working just as hard.

Leavitt makes PLENTY, yet his assistants are still paid like crap...

thank you Joe. at least some people have some common sense.

[IncrediBULL]

Do you think leavitt turned down UF D job to come to USF? I think not.

He turned down the head coach job at Alabama twice and the K-state head coach job which both offered significantly higher salaries than he was making in order to stay at USF...so what's your point?

Let Leavitt make some sacrifices for this program. Let him come up with more money for quality assistants.

I believe IncrediBULL has been trying to tell you the many sacrifices Leavitt has made over the past 12 years but you aren't listening, just taking the current situation and ******** that he isn't making any further sacrifices

I assume if you sacrificed on pay in your job you would cut that pay for the newcommers once you finally start to make a significant salary. Also, in your comparison to other coaches it would be interesting to compare their tenure as well as the the salary each coach was making in the same year, ie...Leavit's salary his first year vs WVU's coach in his first year.

again you ghuys don't understand what it takes to runa successful business. and college football is just that.

I used to own a couple of retail stores. I could have cheaped out and hired people for M wage but I didn't. I hired quality workers and paid them more. I sacrificed for the good of my business. In the long run I was more successful than the guy who hired on the cheap. He went out of business because his employees weren't any good. I went on to sell the business for a profit in part because I hired people that did a better job and helped me grow my business. they appreciated the extra pay and I appreciated their hard work.

If leavitt continues to hire on the cheap then he will eventually be fired. If he wnats to be successful then he needs to sacrifice a little now and hire good quality employees. It will pay off in the end when he has a long and successful career.

ahem

Leavitt is not the CEO or Owner and does not get to determine the budget or how he will spend profits.  That is decided for him by the AD and his department. 

Leavitt started with a retail shop 12 years ago and is still a branch manager, but the decisions are made back in some other corporate office. 

[IncrediBULL]

Don't give me the "Leavitt deseves the money because he built this program from hours  of wotk BS.

Leavitt deserves everything he has, but it's not like coaches at other schools aren't working just as hard.

Leavitt makes PLENTY, yet his assistants are still paid like crap...

Actually just about every coach at all other schools have been handed a program already in progress and have NOT had to put in the work Leavitt has. At THIS juncure, yes he is on level footing as the rest but he has had to do one heck of a lot more with far less resources at his disposal in order to get us here. Either that has been forgotten or fans are just too new to the program to have experienced the earlier days.

well said.... 

[Bull94]

Don't give me the "Leavitt deseves the money because he built this program from hours  of wotk BS.

Leavitt deserves everything he has, but it's not like coaches at other schools aren't working just as hard.

Leavitt makes PLENTY, yet his assistants are still paid like crap...

Actually just about every coach at all other schools have been handed a program already in progress and have NOT had to put in the work Leavitt has. At THIS juncure, yes he is on level footing as the rest but he has had to do one heck of a lot more with far less resources at his disposal in order to get us here. Either that has been forgotten or fans are just too new to the program to have experienced the earlier days.

I have been here since day 1. I have donated and bought tickets since day 1. I understand the risk he took by taking this job. I also understand that his salary has increased far greater on a percentage basis than his assistants have and, collectively, they have done just as much through the years as he has. He didn't do it on his own.

Again there needs to be some balance between what he makes (2nd highest in BE, 35 in college football) and what his assistants make(near the bottom) or he wll eventually be fired. He doesn't have anything to do with the offense and I think as a person responsible for it he might want to bring in somebody more qualified. after all his job is on the line too.

[IncrediBULL]

Don't give me the "Leavitt deseves the money because he built this program from hours  of wotk BS.

Leavitt deserves everything he has, but it's not like coaches at other schools aren't working just as hard.

Leavitt makes PLENTY, yet his assistants are still paid like crap...

Actually just about every coach at all other schools have been handed a program already in progress and have NOT had to put in the work Leavitt has. At THIS juncure, yes he is on level footing as the rest but he has had to do one heck of a lot more with far less resources at his disposal in order to get us here. Either that has been forgotten or fans are just too new to the program to have experienced the earlier days.

I have been here since day 1. I have donated and bought tickets since day 1. I understand the risk he took by taking this job. I also understand that his salary has increased far greater on a percentage basis than his assistants have and, collectively, they have done just as much through the years as he has. He didn't do it on his own.

Again there needs to be some balance between what he makes (2nd highest in BE, 35 in college football) and what his assistants make(near the bottom) or he wll eventually be fired. He doesn't have anything to do with the offense and I think as a person responsible for it he might want to bring in somebody more qualified. after all his job is on the line too.

They will give him proper money for assistants before they would ever fire him.  Guaranteed.

[Bull94]

Do you think leavitt turned down UF D job to come to USF? I think not.

He turned down the head coach job at Alabama twice and the K-state head coach job which both offered significantly higher salaries than he was making in order to stay at USF...so what's your point?

Let Leavitt make some sacrifices for this program. Let him come up with more money for quality assistants.

I believe IncrediBULL has been trying to tell you the many sacrifices Leavitt has made over the past 12 years but you aren't listening, just taking the current situation and ******** that he isn't making any further sacrifices

I assume if you sacrificed on pay in your job you would cut that pay for the newcommers once you finally start to make a significant salary. Also, in your comparison to other coaches it would be interesting to compare their tenure as well as the the salary each coach was making in the same year, ie...Leavit's salary his first year vs WVU's coach in his first year.

again you ghuys don't understand what it takes to runa successful business. and college football is just that.

I used to own a couple of retail stores. I could have cheaped out and hired people for M wage but I didn't. I hired quality workers and paid them more. I sacrificed for the good of my business. In the long run I was more successful than the guy who hired on the cheap. He went out of business because his employees weren't any good. I went on to sell the business for a profit in part because I hired people that did a better job and helped me grow my business. they appreciated the extra pay and I appreciated their hard work.

If leavitt continues to hire on the cheap then he will eventually be fired. If he wnats to be successful then he needs to sacrifice a little now and hire good quality employees. It will pay off in the end when he has a long and successful career.

ahem

Leavitt is not the CEO or Owner and does not get to determine the budget or how he will spend profits.  That is decided for him by the AD and his department. 

Leavitt started with a retail shop 12 years ago and is still a branch manager, but the decisions are made back in some other corporate office. 

You're not very bright.

You couldn't run a successful operation.

good luck with your philosophy. In your mind Leavitt should hire as cheap as he can so he can keep more for himself. good logic.

might as well hire a high school caoch and pay him $50k a year so leavitt can keep the extra $110k. That in your mind would be the right thing to do. Let's see how long he has a job by hoarding all this cash and not hiring quality help.

[BULLheaded]

I have been here since day 1. I have donated and bought tickets since day 1. I understand the risk he took by taking this job. I also understand that his salary has increased far greater on a percentage basis than his assistants have and, collectively, they have done just as much through the years as he has. He didn't do it on his own.

Then I'll put you in the "forgotten" bucket, since you have been here since day 1 then you obviously realize that just about none of them has been here over the majority of years and therefore have in fact NOT collectively done as much as Leavitt has.

Again there needs to be some balance between what he makes (2nd highest in BE, 35 in college football) and what his assistants make(near the bottom) or he wll eventually be fired. He doesn't have anything to do with the offense and I think as a person responsible for it he might want to bring in somebody more qualified. after all his job is on the line too.

why? I have yet to hear any good reason why there needs to be a "balance" in pay in any walk of life other than it was earned. Leavitt has been here longer and done more and in the end has EARNED a significantly higher salary. Now since you are the business master how well do you think it would go over to ask your most tenured and hardest working employees to cut their pay once they are making high salaries after years of being underpaid?

btw, this whole 2nd highest in BE is a bunch of crap, why not just look at the coaches, WVU coach...year 1, Louisville coach...year 2 both have taken a high powered program significantly backwards. Cinci coach...year 2, Pitt coach year 3 (maybe 4, can't recall offhand). Only Edsel and Schiano deserve to be anywhere near Leavitt in salary and do we even need to put Syracuse into the conversation?

[Orlando Bull]

Don't give me the "Leavitt deseves the money because he built this program from hours  of wotk BS.

Leavitt deserves everything he has, but it's not like coaches at other schools aren't working just as hard.

Leavitt makes PLENTY, yet his assistants are still paid like crap...

Actually just about every coach at all other schools have been handed a program already in progress and have NOT had to put in the work Leavitt has. At THIS juncure, yes he is on level footing as the rest but he has had to do one heck of a lot more with far less resources at his disposal in order to get us here. Either that has been forgotten or fans are just too new to the program to have experienced the earlier days.

I have been here since day 1. I have donated and bought tickets since day 1. I understand the risk he took by taking this job. I also understand that his salary has increased far greater on a percentage basis than his assistants have and, collectively, they have done just as much through the years as he has. He didn't do it on his own.

Again there needs to be some balance between what he makes (2nd highest in BE, 35 in college football) and what his assistants make(near the bottom) or he wll eventually be fired. He doesn't have anything to do with the offense and I think as a person responsible for it he might want to bring in somebody more qualified. after all his job is on the line too.

Couple things...

first...contractor paying 1/5 vs 1/10th...that guy isn't giving up his money. He's not going to say well, I could make 1.5 million with bad workers, or I could make 750k with good workers. Thats a no brainer for him. If youre talking about one pool of money, thats what your asking here, don't be stupid.

second... Sure, CJLs staff is paid relatively low. Most of them are nobodies using this job to spring into another job. Wally is paid pretty well. The rest haven't been here very long. After 12 years of tenure, you should be making exponentially more than the OC you hired last year. If Canales had stayed at OC after the 2002 season, or Kravitz had stayed on the staff, they would be making more than the people in those positions today. Its easier to lobby for more money for people if they stick around for a while.

third...you could probably find a decent grad assistant that would be a better OC than Gregory. Again, I would suggest bringing Marquel Blackwell back.