Saban to BAMA- bye bye Ford/Marve?

[windbane]

Just to add bama is coming off of probation this year....

what were the scholarship reductions?

[Bull Dozer]

Just to add bama is coming off of probation this year....

what were the scholarship reductions?

mis read your post ill post it in a sec

[Bull Dozer]

Full terms of probation

A. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS TAKEN AND PENALTIES SELF-IMPOSED (OR PROPOSED) BY THE UNIVERSITY.

In determining the appropriate penalties to impose, the committee considered the institution's self-imposed corrective actions and penalties. Among the actions the university has taken, proposed to take, or will take are the following:

The university has disassociated athletics representative A for a period of 5 years; athletics representative B for a period of ten years and athletics representative C for a period of seven years.

The university has self-imposed the following reductions in scholarships in the sport of football: a reduction in the permissible limit of 25 initial scholarships in the sport of football in 2002-03 to 17, in 2003-04 to 21, and in 2004-05 to 22.

The university has self-imposed the following reductions in the number of official paid visits in the sport of football: in the academic year 2001-02 a reduction of 22 visits; in the academic year 2002-03 a reduction of 12 visits; and, in the academic year 2003-04 a reduction of 10 visits.

The university reduced the number of football coaches who can recruit off-campus at any one time from seven to six for a period of one calendar year beginning December 1, 2001, through December 1, 2002.

The university ceased to recruit prospects from eight Memphis high schools for a one-year period (December 1, 2000, through December 1, 2001).

The university has modified its outside income reporting procedures for coaches and staff. In addition, the associate athletics director for compliance has emphasized with the National Alumni Association that payments to coaches and athletic staff for speaking at events must adhere to alumni association parameters and be coordinated through the National Alumni Association. The associate athletics director for compliance also speaks with the alumni chapter presidents and officers from all across the country at their annual officer workshop each summer.

The letter sent to each signed prospective student-athlete in the sport of football has been revised to include information regarding the rules associated with coming to Tuscaloosa's community during the summer prior to initial full-time enrollment. The compliance office has implemented a policy designed to monitor these activities.

The university has modified its compliance systems in the areas of unofficial and official visits.

With regard to unofficial visit meals, the football recruiting office will continue to require prospects and their guests on to purchase a meal ticket for any meals provided for prospects and will continue to receipt each payment.

With regard to official visit mileage reimbursement, the compliance office has modified its official visit approval form and its official visit mileage voucher to reflect the rule that mileage money shall only be provided to those prospects who drive themselves to an official visit or prospects who are driven to an official visit by their parents or legal guardians.

With regard to official visit meals, the football recruiting office has begun documenting the receipt of meal payments from anyone not covered by permissible official visit rules.

For all incoming scholarship student-athletes, the coordinator of eligibility and financial aid within the athletics department will photocopy all transcripts received during the recruiting process and send these transcripts to the admissions counselor responsible for student-athletes admissions. When the final transcript is received in the admissions office, the admissions counselor will carefully compare the transcripts received during the recruiting process with the final transcript to determine if any discrepancies exist. If discrepancies exist, the admissions counselor will then contact the student's high school and perform any other necessary inquiries needed.

As a proactive measure the faculty athletics representative and the associate athletic director of compliance will give a presentation on NCAA rules to all new university board of trustee members.

The university has brought the management of football camps and coaches' clinics, which had previously been managed by an outside management company hired by the head coach, back under the auspices of the athletic department.

The university has updated its "Guide to NCAA Rules for Alumni, Faculty and Friends" brochure and this fall has mailed a copy to all season ticket holders in all sports. The associate athletic director for compliance will speak regularly at various alumni and booster club gatherings where she will continuously reiterate the importance of rules compliance by all individuals associated with the athletics department.

B. ADDITIONAL PENALTIES IMPOSED BY THE COMMITTEE ON INFRACTIONS.

The Committee on Infractions agreed with and adopted the actions taken by the university.

Because the university is a two-time repeat violator with prior infractions cases in 1995 and 1999, because the recruiting violations set forth in this report were some of the most serious in recent memory and because the university bears some responsibility for the special status athletics representatives A and C enjoyed within the athletics program, the committee very seriously considered imposing repeat-violator penalties pursuant to Bylaw 19.6.2.3.2-(a) and, in particular, prohibiting outside competition (the so called "death penalty") in the sport of football. Although the committee ultimately declined to impose a prohibition on outside competition, the committee emphasizes that this was a very close question greatly influenced by the particular circumstances of this case and of the university's infractions history. On the one occasion in which the "death penalty" was imposed, the penalized institution also had a series of major infractions cases. In that instance however, there was a demonstrated blatant disregard for NCAA rules that permeated through out the entire university and its governance structure. In this case, by contrast, university officials cooperated fully with the enforcement staff, often at great personal criticism, in a diligent effort to develop complete information regarding the violations. Had this candor and cooperation been lacking, the death penalty (as well as substantial penalties in addition to those imposed in this case) would have been imposed.

Although the committee declined to impose penalties pursuant to Bylaw 19.6.2.3.2-(a), the committee concluded that, for the reasons set forth in detail at the outset of this report, additional penalties clearly were warranted. The committee therefore additionally imposed those presumptive penalties directly related to the violations in this case as well as other penalties tailored to the nature and scope of the violations that were committed. The additional penalties imposed by the committee are as follows:

The University of Alabama shall be publicly reprimanded and censured.

The university shall be placed on five years of probation commencing February 1, 2002. This period coincides with the length of time in which the university is subject to the repeat violator rule (Bylaw 19.6.2.3).

The institution's football team shall end its 2002 and 2003 seasons with the playing of its last regularly scheduled, in-season contests and shall not be eligible to participate in any bowl game or take advantage of the exemption provided in Bylaw 17.10.5.3 for preseason competition.

The institution shall reduce the permissible limit of 25 initial grants in the sport of football in 2002-03 to 17; in 2003-04 to 18; and in 2004-05 to 19. (Note: the university had proposed a limit of 17 initial grants in the sport of football in 2002-03 to 17; in 2003-04 to 21; and in 2004-05 to 22). Further, the university shall also reduce the total number of football counters available under Bylaw 15.5.5.1 from 85 to 80 during each of those years.

For the period of the probation, the university shall prohibit all non-institutional athletics representatives (except former football student-athletes approved by the Associate Director of Athletics for Compliance on a case-by-case basis) from doing the following:

Traveling on football team charters.

Attending football team practices normally closed to the public.

Participating in any fashion with the university's football camps including the donation of funds to the camps.

Accessing sidelines and locker rooms before, during and after football games.

The university shall show-cause why it should not be penalized further if it fails to permanently disassociate from its athletics programs athletics representatives A, B and C based upon their involvement in violations of NCAA legislation as set forth in Findings II-A, II-B, II-C, II-F and II-G. All disassociations shall include the following provisions:

Refraining from accepting any assistance, including aid in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes, the support of enrolled student-athletes or providing benefits for athletics department personnel;

Refusing financial assistance or contributions (in cash or in kind) to the university's athletics program;

Ensuring that no athletics benefits or privileges, including preferential tickets, are provided, either directly or indirectly, that are unavailable to the public at large; and

Implementing other actions that the university determines to be within its authority to eliminate involvement in the university's athletics program.

Further, the university shall show-cause why it should not be penalized further if it fails to disassociate athletics representative D from its athletics programs athletics for a period of at least three years based upon his involvement in violations of NCAA legislation as set forth in Finding II-E. The conditions of disassociation shall be the same as set forth in the preceding penalty.

The committee considered imposing a show-cause order under NCAA Bylaw 19.6.2.2-(1) against Alabama assistant coach A but decided not to do so, due to the fact that he was terminated by the university at the conclusion of the 2000 season and since that time has been out of college coaching, under what the committee considered to be a de facto show-cause order.

During this period of probation, the institution shall:

Continue to develop and implement a comprehensive educational program on NCAA legislation, including seminars and testing, to instruct the coaches, the faculty athletics representative, all athletics department personnel and all university staff members with responsibility for the certification of student-athletes for admission, retention, financial aid or competition;

Submit a preliminary report to the director of the NCAA infractions committees by March 15, 2002, setting forth a schedule for its compliance and educational program and

File with the committee's director annual compliance reports indicating the progress made with this program by November 15 of each year during the probationary period. Particular emphasis should be placed on the monitoring and education of athletics representatives. The reports must also include documentation of the university's compliance with the penalties (adopted and) imposed by the committee.

At the conclusion of the probationary period, the university's president shall provide a letter to the committee affirming that the university's current athletics policies and practices conform to all requirements of NCAA regulations.

Link to source: http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/2002020101in.htm

[Bullogna]

Marve might have limited playing time at BAMA as well. The QB there was a RS freshman as well and did a very decent job.  Their problems weren't QB inefficiency.  So he would have to battle to start there as well.  So don't knock USF's recruiting of Marve based on playing time.

[windbane]

so they get 3 more scholarships than last year.  eh.

[bulls96go]

we will have to nail down any recruit BAMA may be intrested in

or we may lose them to saban.

think Ford may stay!

hope he comes here

[crambone]

Speaking of Ford, one of the guys here at work is a HUGE Tide fan.

When I told him today that Ford will most likely be playing for USF, he said "We never wanted him anyway.  He can't keep his grades up and Alabama is too hard of a school for him.  You can have him."

Yeah, "Roll Tide" indeed...

[hbryan]

Marve might have limited playing time at BAMA as well. The QB there was a RS freshman as well and did a very decent job.  Their problems weren't QB inefficiency.  So he would have to battle to start there as well.  So don't knock USF's recruiting of Marve based on playing time.

I agree, and Saban recruits those big prototypical QBs (JaMarcus Russell anyone?) and Marve probably wouldn't be Saban's ideal QB for his system. I think Marve, who's HS offense was somewhat similar to USF's without as many QB running plays, would thrive here.  I sure hope he comes because I see it as a guaranteed win-win relationship.  Oh and if he does, we need to pick up Derek Winter, a Dwight Clark type possession receiver with magnet hands.

[Herman_Momart]

Bama should have hired Boise States coach.  Saban will leave them like he does to everyone else.  

[MatRatUSF]

Saban is at Alabama to stay. His heart is in college coaching. Just because he can't make it in the pros, doesn't mean he's not a great coach ... Suprrier, Carrol anyone??

He just missed bringing in the kids and teaching them to be great young men and then sending them off to the NFL and beyond.

Like all the shows were saying, it's easier for a college coach because he brings in 20 or so recruits he hand picks every year and molds them into what he wants. Int he NFL, you get 6 picks a year and for Miami, the only guy he picked that was worth anything turned out to be crowder.

One of the main reasons he left the Fins is because of his wife. She wasn't a fan of the Miami life and she's a small town person. Saban will have everything going for him in Alabama.

I think he did the Dolphins a favor by leaving because i don't feel he had control of this team. He was a master of controling kids in college, but when it came to every aspect of the NFL, he couldn't handle it, their egos are just too big.

Im rooting for him to do well in Bama and prove people wrong. I just want him to do it without Marve and Ford