Anyone else SICK and TIRED of this?!

[BigShoop]

How difficult is each conference’s out of conference schedule? Instead of basing our opinions on perception, let’s base it on actual numbers. The following is each BCS conference’s record(and Notre Dame) vs out of conference foes, along with the overall record of those same opponents.

Notre Dame

Cumulative winning % of all opponents: .533 (55-48)

Big East

OOC Record

Rutgers: 5-0

Louisville: 5-0

West Virginia: 5-0

USF: 4-1

Pitt: 4-1

Cincinnati: 3-2

UCONN: 3-2

Syracuse: 3-2

Total: .800 (32-8)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .478 (138-151 including 6 1-AA schools)

Big 10

OOC Record

Michigan: 4-0

Ohio St: 4-0

Wisconsin: 3-0

Penn St: 3-1

Purdue: 3-1

Indiana: 2-2

Iowa: 4-0

Minnesota: 3-1

Michigan St: 3-1

Northwestern: 2-2

Illinois: 1-3

Total: .744 (32-11)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .494 (130-133 including 8 1-AA schools)

SEC

OOC Record

Florida: 2-0

Kentucky: 2-1

Georgia: 3-0

Tennessee: 4-0

South Carolina: 2-0

Vanderbilt: 3-1

Arkansas: 3-1

Auburn: 4-0

LSU: 4-0

Alabama: 4-0

Miss St: 2-2

Mississippi: 2-2

Total: .833 (35-7)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .458 (131-155 including 7 1-AA schools)

ACC

OOC Record

Wake Forest: 4-0

Maryland: 3-1

Boston College: 4-0

Clemson: 3-0

FSU: 2-0

NC State: 1-2

Ga Tech: 2-1

Va Tech: 4-0

Virginia: 1-3

Miami: 3-1

North Carolina: 1-3

Duke: 0-4

Total: .651 (28-15)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .541 (162-13 including 9 1-AA schools)

Big 12

OOC Record

Nebraska: 3-1

Kansas St: 3-1

Missouri: 4-0

Kansas: 3-1

Colorado: 0-4

Iowa St: 3-1

Texas: 3-1

Oklahoma: 3-1

Texas A&M: 4-0

Oklahoma St: 3-1

Texas Tech: 3-1

Baylor: 1-3

Total: .687 (33-15)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .517 (166-155 including 9 1-AA schools)

Pac-10

OOC Record

USC: 2-0

California: 2-1

Oregon: 3-0

Oregon St: 2-1

Washington St: 2-1

Arizona St: 3-0

Arizona: 2-1

UCLA: 2-1

Washington: 2-1

Stanford: 0-3

Total: .690 (20-9)

Cumulative winning % of OOC opponents: .642 (124-69 including 4 1-AA schools)

[Guest]

So the Big East had the 2nd easiest OOC schedule and did the 2nd best.  The SEC had the easiest OOC schedule and did the best.

[Joe]

Shoop,

You cannot, not include the in conference opponents when comparing conferences. Yes, the BE does have a nice % OOC, but they also have to play 1 extra OOC opponent and it has to be a good BCS team, or they're risking a very adverse effect to their SOS.

Finally, I think when comparing the Big East schedules these days it is not for the sake of how a team like Cincy played Ohio State and Va Tech (signed warmups before the BE picked up Cincy)

It's a team like Rutgers/WVU v. USC/Florida/ND/Arkansas

While you can take Rutgers and say they beat the 9th ranked team in the land, you cannot ignore the fact that they played Ohio, USF, Pitt, and Navy as bowl eligble teams through Nov 18th to shore up their schedule.

Is that even comparable to Arkansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Cal, Wazzou, Arizona State, and Oregon State? (Bowl eligible team USC will have played through the 18th)

Or Southern Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, SOuth Carolina (Bowl elibgle teams Florida will have played through the 18th)

THAT is the argument being made. Had Louisville not lost I think you would have had most people on the same page to allow Louisville into the title game especially after the KSU win, unfortunately they didn't and Rutger's weak schedule is killing them at the moment.

[BigShoop]

the reason i did it was to just put some facts behind the argument that we've all heard on tv, radio, and among friends...

i'm sick and tired of hearing about Team A's ooc schedule vs Team B's, and specifically how the Big East is SOOOOOOO far behind the other BCS conferences....

[Bull94]

Shoop,

You cannot, not include the in conference opponents when comparing conferences. Yes, the BE does have a nice % OOC, but they also have to play 1 extra OOC opponent and it has to be a good BCS team, or they're risking a very adverse effect to their SOS.

Finally, I think when comparing the Big East schedules these days it is not for the sake of how a team like Cincy played Ohio State and Va Tech (signed warmups before the BE picked up Cincy)

It's a team like Rutgers/WVU v. USC/Florida/ND/Arkansas

While you can take Rutgers and say they beat the 9th ranked team in the land, you cannot ignore the fact that they played Ohio, USF, Pitt, and Navy as bowl eligble teams through Nov 18th to shore up their schedule.

Is that even comparable to Arkansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Cal, Wazzou, Arizona State, and Oregon State? (Bowl eligible team USC will have played through the 18th)

Or Southern Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, SOuth Carolina (Bowl elibgle teams Florida will have played through the 18th)

THAT is the argument being made. Had Louisville not lost I think you would have had most people on the same page to allow Louisville into the title game especially after the KSU win, unfortunately they didn't and Rutger's weak schedule is killing them at the moment.

Why shouldn't U of L be considred right along with a 1 loss Florida team?

U of L beat a top 10 BCS team. Florida hasn't.

Their 1 loss is to a top 10 BCS team. Florida's wasn't.

No offense but the top SEC teams play nobody out of conference. Most of their wins are against the bottom half of the conference and garbage OOC teams.

The SEC is having a down year.

It's obvious when a Kentucky team, that was blown out by  U of L 59-28, is in 2nd place of the SEC East this late in the season.

[Lakelandkid]

That sort of logic does not compute.  It's what's on the helmet that matters not what hapens on the field.

[Joe]

Shoop,

You cannot, not include the in conference opponents when comparing conferences. Yes, the BE does have a nice % OOC, but they also have to play 1 extra OOC opponent and it has to be a good BCS team, or they're risking a very adverse effect to their SOS.

Finally, I think when comparing the Big East schedules these days it is not for the sake of how a team like Cincy played Ohio State and Va Tech (signed warmups before the BE picked up Cincy)

It's a team like Rutgers/WVU v. USC/Florida/ND/Arkansas

While you can take Rutgers and say they beat the 9th ranked team in the land, you cannot ignore the fact that they played Ohio, USF, Pitt, and Navy as bowl eligble teams through Nov 18th to shore up their schedule.

Is that even comparable to Arkansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Cal, Wazzou, Arizona State, and Oregon State? (Bowl eligible team USC will have played through the 18th)

Or Southern Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, SOuth Carolina (Bowl elibgle teams Florida will have played through the 18th)

THAT is the argument being made. Had Louisville not lost I think you would have had most people on the same page to allow Louisville into the title game especially after the KSU win, unfortunately they didn't and Rutger's weak schedule is killing them at the moment.

Why shouldn't U of L be considred right along with a 1 loss Florida team?

U of L beat a top 10 BCS team. Florida hasn't.

Their 1 loss is to a top 10 BCS team. Florida's wasn't.

No offense but the top SEC teams play nobody out of conference. Most of their wins are against the bottom half of the conference and garbage OOC teams.

The SEC is having a down year.

It's obvious when a Kentucky team, that was blown out by  U of L 59-28, is in 2nd place of the SEC East this late in the season.

Bull94, the SEC is probably going to have 9 eligible bowl teams and you're calling it a down year?

Why isn't Louisville being considered with USC/UF/ND? Because they're currently ranked 10th in the BCS with no games left that will push them up in the computers.

USC has Cal, ND, and UCLA

Florida has FSU (whose projected 10th ranked SOS will help UF in comps) and Arkansas

ND has USC (they have almost ZERO chance of getting in, unless Ohio State loses bad and a lot more happens)

Rutgers has Cincy and WVU

Louisville has us, Pitt, and UConn; of those three UConn, because of their high SOS will probably benefit them the most in the computers.

Finally, it doesn't help that they lost so late. It's the nature of the beast though, ask ND.

[MikeG]

the problem wth all of this is that you have some people blaming a school for not having a tough schedule--- say Louisville --- who schedules a traditional power Miami and beats them. THe fact that Miami is having a "down year" is suddenly UL's fault? THese schedules are made years in advance and you can't predict how things will appear. When we scheduled UNC, they weren't total crap-- they were a mid-level ACC school. You can go up and down the list of people and have plenty of reasons to defend or attack.

Here's the deal--- EVER SINCE we moved away from the human only voting, people have argued that so and so's schedule is to weak or stronger or whatever. It is more about stats and numbers now than it is about watching a team play and understanding and contemplating just HOW GOOD that team really is-- a true power poll.

THe reason for all this is simple-- it's the transition that gets us the eventual playoff system that will help settle this on the field-- and hopefully limit the amount of BS conversations about how strong this is or that is. ANY TEAM that can go an entire season undefeated is doing something special. but there are at least 8 teams right now that have a legitimate claim to play for the national championship.

[Greg Auman]

I haven't heard much about the Big East's nonconference scheduling being weak as a whole. What I have heard, and justifiably so, is that West Virginia and Louisville do not have the kind of out-of-conference schedule you expect from teams that want to be considered as worthy of playing in the national championship. Louisville's only significant OOC game was Miami, and that doesn't hold as much water as it used to. West Virginia has Maryland, Marshall, but that's about it. USF was able to play the tough-schedule card last year, but hardly this time around -- when your toughest nonconference opponent is Kansas, you don't have much to say ...

[Bull94]

Shoop,

You cannot, not include the in conference opponents when comparing conferences. Yes, the BE does have a nice % OOC, but they also have to play 1 extra OOC opponent and it has to be a good BCS team, or they're risking a very adverse effect to their SOS.

Finally, I think when comparing the Big East schedules these days it is not for the sake of how a team like Cincy played Ohio State and Va Tech (signed warmups before the BE picked up Cincy)

It's a team like Rutgers/WVU v. USC/Florida/ND/Arkansas

While you can take Rutgers and say they beat the 9th ranked team in the land, you cannot ignore the fact that they played Ohio, USF, Pitt, and Navy as bowl eligble teams through Nov 18th to shore up their schedule.

Is that even comparable to Arkansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Cal, Wazzou, Arizona State, and Oregon State? (Bowl eligible team USC will have played through the 18th)

Or Southern Miss, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, SOuth Carolina (Bowl elibgle teams Florida will have played through the 18th)

THAT is the argument being made. Had Louisville not lost I think you would have had most people on the same page to allow Louisville into the title game especially after the KSU win, unfortunately they didn't and Rutger's weak schedule is killing them at the moment.

Why shouldn't U of L be considred right along with a 1 loss Florida team?

U of L beat a top 10 BCS team. Florida hasn't.

Their 1 loss is to a top 10 BCS team. Florida's wasn't.

No offense but the top SEC teams play nobody out of conference. Most of their wins are against the bottom half of the conference and garbage OOC teams.

The SEC is having a down year.

It's obvious when a Kentucky team, that was blown out by  U of L 59-28, is in 2nd place of the SEC East this late in the season.

Bull94, the SEC is probably going to have 9 eligible bowl teams and you're calling it a down year?

Why isn't Louisville being considered with USC/UF/ND? Because they're currently ranked 10th in the BCS with no games left that will push them up in the computers.

USC has Cal, ND, and UCLA

Florida has FSU (whose projected 10th ranked SOS will help UF in comps) and Arkansas

ND has USC (they have almost ZERO chance of getting in, unless Ohio State loses bad and a lot more happens)

Rutgers has Cincy and WVU

Louisville has us, Pitt, and UConn; of those three UConn, because of their high SOS will probably benefit them the most in the computers.

Finally, it doesn't help that they lost so late. It's the nature of the beast though, ask ND.

Hey Joe,

I wasn't making a case for U of L over USC. I think if USC wins out then they would deserve it. I was making a case against Florida however. I don't care how many bowl eligible teams the SEC has. It's not all that difficult to become bowl eligible. Even in the SEC. Play a soft OOC schedule like Alabama and then win 2 conference games against Ole Miss and Vandy. That's all it takes.

The SEC is pretty mediocre. Especially the East. There are 2 teams in the SEC east with better then .500 in conference records and one of them is Kentucky. The SEC has on of the highest ranked 1 loss teams, the highest ranked 2 loss team and the highest ranked 3 loss team. This is by reputation only.  Hell Georgia beat what was supposed to be the #2 team in the SEC last week. This after losing to both Vandy and Kentucky. Now are the bottom feeders catching up or are the top teams having a down year?

I don't know how FSU has the 10th toughest schedule? they play in the weak ACC. How about KSU? U of L beat them on the road. The same team that just beat the #3 team in the country.

Tell me how many of the top SEC teams would travel to play such an OOC game on the road?

I'm just pointing out how subjective it all is. Most of the SEC rankings are based on the assumption that the SEC is a power conference this year. We really don't know that to be the case.