Important OCS Update

[michibull]

49 minutes ago, puc86 said:

That seems like a pretty big bet on a very contingent plan, what if we saw how much winning contributed to incremental growth and then extrapolated from there? If we see that yes people have now bought into our lowered station you can still build a stadium and should we improve our station we can also still build a stadium. 

It is a big bet, but the cost of building the stadium will not sink USF, therefore the benefits outweigh the risks. 

[michibull]

57 minutes ago, puc86 said:

These are the stadiums in the ACC (there are more teams with stadium like ours than ones like the proposed stadium)

• 1. Clemson | Memorial Stadium | 81,500
• 2. Florida State | Doak Campbell Stadium | 79,560
• 3. Pittsburgh | Acrisure Stadium | 68,400
• 4. Virginia Tech | Lane Stadium | 66,233
• 5. Miami | Hard Rock Stadium | 65,236
• 6. Louisville | Cardinal Stadium | 65,000
• 7. Virginia | Scott Stadium | 61,500
• 8. NC State | Carter Finley Stadium | 56,919
• 9. Georgia Tech | Bobby Dodd Stadium | 55,000
• 10. North Carolina | Kenan Memorial Stadium | 50, 500
• 11. Syracuse | JMA Wireless Dome | 49,057
• 12. Boston College | Alumni Stadium | 44,500
• 13. Duke | Wallace Wade Stadium | 40,004
• 14. Wake Forest | Truist Field | 31,500

Hypothetically, if the ACC loose FSU and Clemson, that would greatly reduce the average stadium size and anyone they add would be around our proposed stadium. 

[BDYZR]

51 minutes ago, puc86 said:

That seems like a pretty big bet on a very contingent plan, what if we saw how much winning contributed to incremental growth and then extrapolated from there? If we see that yes people have now bought into our lowered station you can still build a stadium and should we improve our station we can also still build a stadium. 

Yea, let's wait and see what happens and THEN try to react so that we can TRY to keep up with the competition... Oh wait! That's where we are now. Maybe if we try waiting again it'll work out differently.

[puc86]

34 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Yes definitely. Once USF starts winning it should help answer a lot of questions. Looking at the Sept calendar I’m hoping USF is at least 3-2 heading into Oct. October I think they can go 1-2. November I think they can at least 2-2 which will put USF at 6-6. Not too bad.

 

39 minutes ago, Triple B said:

It's all about winning. 2016-18 we averaged 33K against AAC opponents not named UCF, which was probably factored in to the size of the stadium.

 UCF, Houston and Cincinnati leaving to a better has an impact to games besides just the ones that they played in, how did we draw against UNT, UAB, Charlotte and Rice during that span? The destruction of the BEAST had as much of an impact on the attendance as any winning, this step in the wrong direction will be as equally impactful. 

[puc86]

4 minutes ago, BDYZR said:

Yea, let's wait and see what happens and THEN try to react so that we can TRY to keep up with the competition... Oh wait! That's where we are now. Maybe if we try waiting again it'll work out differently.

An OCS is in not an impactful determinate of getting called up. You do not just do something not impactful just because you think you need to do something and cannot figure out how to actually do something of impact. 

[USF_Bullsharks]

8 minutes ago, puc86 said:

An OCS is in not an impactful determinate of getting called up.

There are many things a University can do to "get called up". There is an infinitely long list of things you can do to increase your student involvement, alumni involvement, fan support, respect from peer universities, inclusion in your community, etc; and all universities are budgeting to invest in that list to increase its impact and support every single year. Having an OCS is 100% on that list, evident that an OCS has been prioritized by almost every single school that has a football team at any level from high school to D1. It is USF's time now to prioritize it, and we are. 

So, yes, it is. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by USF_Bullsharks

[puc86]

28 minutes ago, USF_Bullsharks said:

There are many things a University can do to "get called up". There is an infinitely long list of things you can do to increase your student involvement, alumni involvement, fan support, respect from peer universities, inclusion in your community, etc; and all universities are budgeting to invest in that list to increase its impact and support every single year. Having an OCS is 100% on that list, evident that an OCS has been prioritized by almost every single school that has a football team at any level from high school to D1. It is USF's time now to prioritize it, and we are. 

So, yes, it is. 

What percentage of your math is based off of them not having access to a sizeable stadium near their campus? If you have no place to play the choice is obvious, if you do it is far less.

 

[Brad]

2 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

EXACTLY.

But USF cannot wait.  "Build the stadium for the conference you want, not the conference you're in."

And that's the essence of me questioning it now.

Oddsmakers would say that in the last couple weeks our chance at obtaining "the conference we want", even generally, has decreased.  

Mr. Trip thinks we are building for now.  It has to be for a better conference, better opponents and better revenue streams. 

All I have maintained is that getting into a meaningful conference is less likely now as the PAC crumbles and more rapid change on the horizon.  I've also said if FSU leaves and we can get into the AAC absent abandonment of half the conference members, we might be ok.  Certainly in the Big 12 we WOULD be okay.  

Again, risk has increased.  If there is a another surge in conference realignment activity, those musical chairs could all be filled before we sign contracts.  We don't want fast change that doesn't include us.  But as Lt. Frank Drebin says, "that's only common sense."

[Rocky Style]

I would just commit to building the small stadium 35k, then have it expandable the moment we get a call up, even it it comes this year.  Done and done.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Rocky Style

[USF_Bullsharks]

1 hour ago, puc86 said:

What percentage of your math is based off of them not having access to a sizeable stadium near their campus? If you have no place to play the choice is obvious, if you do it is far less.

 

Didn't do any math, but for instance, the 3 teams from the AAC which earned invites to join the B12 all had/have sizable stadiums in their markets, and they each built on-campus stadiums and/or have invested heavily in renovations/upgrades. Sure it was just coincidence though.