Brian Gregory "news"

[Bear]

28 minutes ago, BullShirt said:

You said "we passed them (UCF) by and rocked them to the core."  Didn't that happen while USF was playing at RayJay?  Thanks for making my point.  We can and did have success without playing on campus.

You think the UCF "wins followed" because they built a new stadium?  No, I'm sure they wouldn't have won any games if they still played in the Citrus Bowl (which was nowhere near as nice as RayJay - no comparison).  LOTS of schools HAD TO HAVE a remodeled or new stadium and it didn't help their records one bit.  Same with the NFL.  And many didn't see an appreciable increase in attendance and those that did lost it within 3-5 years if their records didn't improve.

YOu also said "sports are a BUSINESS".  Thanks for pointing that out.  Playing professionally for several years somehow I missed that.  We're talking about COLLEGE sports here, namely football and basketball.  And by the way, outside of about a dozen colleges ALL colleges lose money on their sports programs including USF and UCF so it's really hard to say they are running a business.  If so they'd be out of business  by now because they'd be bankrupt.

Interesting that you picked "the swamp" for your example.  A school that sells out 'The Swamp" when they have great teams and win championships but loses fans and GIVES AWAY tickets when they aren't dong well.  And just to be up front and honest here, I've been to far more games at the Swamp over the years than USF games. Remember, I'm not a USF Alumni so I don't feel I HAVE to go to USF games.  Plus, I entertain clients at games and a good/great team or game ALWAYS trumps a mediocre or even good game.  Think about that.  THe Swamp is 3 hours away and in the BUSINESS world my clients have indicated they would much rather go to a Florida game than a USF game.  And pretty much none of my clients are Florida Alumni either.  In fact when Florida was dominant a few years back and winning national championships I had clients more interested in going to Gainesville than watching the Bucs play locally.  RayJay tops The Swamp across the board so it's not about the facilities or the location thereof.  It's the trade off between time spent (not money because I pay for everything) vs entertainment received.   WINNING.   I'm not onboard with the OCS because I personally think it's a distraction from the bigger issue.

Let me ask you this (and be honest).  If USF was playing like UF played a few years back when they were winning or contending for national championships and RayJay was PACKED (which it would be because people are fickle and will jump on the bandwagon when a team is winning) would anyone really be clamoring for an OCS which would definitely be smaller than RayJay?  And I realize that comparing USF in the Big East / AAC is different than comparing UF in the SEC but you decided to use UF as an example so I think it's fair to continue that comparison.

When USF was winning, is when they should have invested in the football program (IPF, OCS). The program was short-sighted and settled for mediocrity. 

6 minutes ago, smazza said:

i was against an ocs forever but it is apparent we need it to compete and to have any chance to get into a real conference

the ocs clearly helped orlando

it will be a much better experience for the students. Many freshman that live on campus dont have a car.

This is correct

[Cubanbull]

6 minutes ago, smazza said:

i was against an ocs forever but it is apparent we need it to compete and to have any chance to get into a real conference

the ocs clearly helped orlando

it will be a much better experience for the students. Many freshman that live on campus dont have a car.

Correct and I always believed that USF wouldn’t move on an OCS unless one of two things happened.

1. A big donor came along pushing it

or

2. A Power Conference mentioned it as something that would move us up in their eyes for addition.

[Triple B]

13 minutes ago, smazza said:

i was against an ocs forever but it is apparent we need it to compete

Nope, the right coach is what we need to compete ...... and hopefully we have the right one.

 

15 minutes ago, smazza said:

and to have any chance to get into a real conference

This definitely may be the case now ...

[puc86]

1 hour ago, Triple B said:

Nope, the right coach is what we need to compete ...... and hopefully we have the right one.

 

This definitely may be the case now ...

We hired a new coach?

[bowman1]

1 hour ago, puc86 said:

We hired a new coach?

After 23 pages of stellar, fact based discussion from TBP, VPMK has yet to take any action 

This is a serious case of American blind justice - too bad that Officer Obie died in 1994, or he would handle this

[BullShirt]

On 3/26/2022 at 12:16 PM, Friscobull said:

**** dude, you ever hear of brevity?  You can easily quantify the expenses of an OCS but harder to gauge some of the benefits which you are ignoring. Thanks for the advice that winning would increase attendance, that is groundbreaking.  If we need to raise some fees to pay for it then so be it.  The ROI may not be prove to be enough for a business venture, the CBA would probably not justify it either but this is a state school that is full of bloat and inefficiencies, an OCS is not going to break the bank and if it does we can get creative with new revenue streams.  Lighten up Francis and let us relish in our dreams, calling everyone ignorant and hypocritical is off putting. 
 

 

"ever hear of brevity"?  Aren't you the one that said "let me dumb it down for you"?  And now you want brevity.  Next time I"ll use small words and lots of pictures for you since you appear to NEED things dumbed down.

[BullShirt]

On 3/26/2022 at 10:32 AM, Triple B said:

Dude, go to the first post of the thread. He's not getting fired ........ now stop interrupting.

That's right.  Somehow with one comment about how we don't need an on campus football stadium in my earlier post about firing Gregory this has become a football thread, not a fire Gregory thread  anymore.  Please try to keep up.  (See, I have a sense of humor too but those that know me have never doubted that).  

[Brad]

Stop pinching each other and pulling hair.  Again, discuss without the personal crap.  

[BullShirt]

On 3/26/2022 at 10:41 AM, Cubanbull said:

True and the only way to grow them, is by getting students involved and winning to create that tie in.

Here is a simple story I went to USF 78-82, we didn’t have football, so basketball was the “big” sport, even homecoming was around basketball. For the first years we didn’t have an on campus arena, we would play downtown at Curtis Hixon, Tampa Fairgrounds and even in St Pete. Most of my friends were not sports oriented so getting them to join me and driving to one of those games was close to impossible. Once we built the SunDome getting them to games there was much easier and even now they talk about the fun they had doing that.

Thats the one thing an OCS will do that RJS will never do, we need to create those experiences with the current student body.

Cubanbull,  You said "the only ways to grow them, is by getting students involved AND winning...".  I think we probably agree on almost everything that has been debated here.  I just think WINNING is more important and will lead to more student involvement at Ray Jay or an OCS.  I just don't have the confidence in the AD and the "powers that be" to think they can do both simultaneously.  Personally, I think "a shiny new OCS" is somewhat to get fans, alumni, etc. to focus less on the dismal performance of the FB and MBB teams right now.

But I will admit that I really do think if USF was winning BIG and filling RayJay that the place would be full and rockin' and fun and energetic and.....  I'll also believe that a WINNING program that is pretty much the only one playing in an NFL Super Bowl caliber stadium could actually be a recruiting plus.  Furthermore, if going to games was FUN (and no one likes losing) students would go.  They use to go to MBB games at the Sundome (I know because I was there too) but pretty much not anymore.  There's been a LOT of games when there were more members of the BAND at a game than students.

 I'm not totally against an OCS.  I just think a 100% total focus on  winning is what's needed right now.  An OCS is a distraction that a bottom feeder doesn't need at this time.  If they start winning that would be the time to consider whether an OCS makes sense/cents or not.

[BullShirt]

On 3/26/2022 at 12:23 PM, El_Toro_86 said:

Only on TBP can a thread on CBG and MBB derail in to mud slinging about the merits of an OCS, attendance and conference USA 3.0.  I guess someone will be chiming in on Publix subs and uniforms any minute now

Sorry I didn't respond sooner.   We stopped by Publix to pick up some subs and beer and I got distracted by a couple of the girls and their uniforms .  I'll try to be more timely next time.