Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[Bull Matrix]

3 hours ago, Roaming Bull said:

Probably taking its place as the premier learning institute in

Tulane is probably screwed now that they lost their coach. We shall see if they hire someone that can keep things going for them 

[CousinRicky]

15 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Tulane is probably screwed now that they lost their coach. We shall see if they hire someone that can keep things going for them 

Heard Golesh is on their radar. 

Actually I didn't but thought it was funny.

[John Lewis]

30 minutes ago, Bull Matrix said:

Tulane is probably screwed now that they lost their coach. We shall see if they hire someone that can keep things going for them 

They already hired the Coach from Troy.

[Mike Stuben]

14 minutes ago, John Lewis said:

They already hired the Coach from Troy.

On paper, it was a great hire.*

 

*Skip Holtz was also a great hire on paper. 

[Friscobull]

4 hours ago, Roaming Bull said:

ok Tex. I get your selfish motives for wanting the Bulls in the BXII

I really just want us to move up, I think we are a better fit in the soon to be weaker ACC then the now weaker Big 12.  Either way both of those chicks are an improvement over our large and homely current partner.

[Bull Matrix]

3 hours ago, John Lewis said:

They already hired the Coach from Troy.

****! That is a good hire. Great defensive coach. 

[I like GOOOOLD (and green)]

On 12/9/2023 at 9:47 AM, Jim Johnson said:

1. The ACC will pay out more money than the Big 12 over the next decade, even without their top teams because ESPN can't rework the contract just because the composition of the conference changes -- as long as the conference remains above 15 teams.  The ACC network will continue to grow revenue as it expands westward thanks to SMU, Stanford, and Cal, plus when the Big 12 contract expires they will face the same stark reality the Pac 12 faced - they are not worth the money they think they should get.   So the Big 12's next contract will not be all that meaningful.

2. Also, the GOR will not "open up". The addition of three teams actually made this even more certain - there will not be 10 votes to disband the GOR and no court is going to throw it out.  Thus, the few schools leaving will be paying a ton of money to leave.  Louisville, Va Tech, Pitt, etc will not be able to afford the exit fees ... and they would have to give up their share of the money being paid by FSU, Clemson, etc -- which could be more than $1 billion in total.  By the time the cost to leave gets more reasonable in the 2030s, the Big 12 will have a new contract that will be on par with the ACC so even in 2032 or 2033 there won't be any real incentive to leave.

You can forget the Big 12 getting any current ACC team.

I appreciate the thoughtful response, I’m afraid there’s just too much wishful thinking to come to the conclusions you have though.

 You don’t know the acc will earn more than the Big12 over the next decade.  The Big 12 currently gets more and they will be able to go to market (again) by the time the supposed inflection point is reached where the ACC was scheduled to earn more.”; this isn’t ’in ‘32-33’’, they will be back in negotiations in 2029-30. The Big 12 has shown the ability to secure a lucrative deal in tough economic times already, something only two other conferences have done.  Further, they have put multiple schools into the playoff since they negotiated that deal which not only gives them even more money ‘than scheduled’ but also gives them credibility to the tv partners for another raise they most assuredly will get.  Let’s not forget that since you brought up the acc ‘growing revenue’ by adding the dregs of two zombie conferences that the Big 12 actually added viably positive revenue generators in new markets as well, far more so than the acc did.  Let’s now tackle the elephant in the room: basketball.  They’ve already cemented themselves as the runaway best conference there and are looking to break off into its own package deal, they’re already playing in Mexico.  They are going to get paid.  They’re probably going to be playing international exhibitions and getting paid for it.  They are so much more forward thinking that it’s borderline irresponsible to assume the acc will be better off.  Multiple schools in the acc will want that action beyond those that join the sec/big 10.

I concede your point the GOR may not open as easily with the three new additions.  I’m not sure that’ll matter in another 7ish years though.  I’m certainly not confident like you are.  

Edited December 12, 2023 by I like GOOOOLD (and green)

[I like GOOOOLD (and green)]

On 12/9/2023 at 11:50 AM, Cubanbull said:

The latest for 2024 and 2025 is

The top 5 Conference Champions

7 at large. So basically if you aren’t in Top12 in ranking you aren’t getting an at large.

What this leads to is

SEC/BigTen and ND basically taking those 7 at large.

The chances of the ACC or Big12 having another school outside their champion in Top 12 is minimal.

Another reason that makes ACC schools paying a big exit fee for a similar media deal in B12 to also compete for one CFP spot there, not a real good decision.

The Big 12 is going to have multiple teams in the playoffs each year, don’t be silly.  Even in a down season this year with a bunch of new g5 call ups they finished only slightly behind the Big 10 in the Massey composite rankings and would’ve had two teams.  That’s a quality/deep league that’s getting better with the PAC additions.  I’m not trying to be a naysayer but I think it’s important to be realistic.  

[Bull94]

15 minutes ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

The Big 12 is going to have multiple teams in the playoffs each year, don’t be silly.  Even in a down season this year with a bunch of new g5 call ups they finished only slightly behind the Big 10 in the Massey composite rankings and would’ve had two teams.  That’s a quality/deep league that’s getting better with the PAC additions.  I’m not trying to be a naysayer but I think it’s important to be realistic.  

2 teams that will no longer be in the big 12 next year.....except OU wouldn't have been in the playoffs. Liberty would have.big 12 is a one bid league

Edited December 12, 2023 by Bull94

[Bull94]

52 minutes ago, I like GOOOOLD (and green) said:

I appreciate the thoughtful response, I’m afraid there’s just too much wishful thinking to come to the conclusions you have though.

 You don’t know the acc will earn more than the Big12 over the next decade.  The Big 12 currently gets more and they will be able to go to market (again) by the time the supposed inflection point is reached where the ACC was scheduled to earn more.”; this isn’t ’in ‘32-33’’, they will be back in negotiations in 2029-30. The Big 12 has shown the ability to secure a lucrative deal in tough economic times already, something only two other conferences have done.  Further, they have put multiple schools into the playoff since they negotiated that deal which not only gives them even more money ‘than scheduled’ but also gives them credibility to the tv partners for another raise they most assuredly will get.  Let’s not forget that since you brought up the acc ‘growing revenue’ by adding the dregs of two zombie conferences that the Big 12 actually added viably positive revenue generators in new markets as well, far more so than the acc did.  Let’s now tackle the elephant in the room: basketball.  They’ve already cemented themselves as the runaway best conference there and are looking to break off into its own package deal, they’re already playing in Mexico.  They are going to get paid.  They’re probably going to be playing international exhibitions and getting paid for it.  They are so much more forward thinking that it’s borderline irresponsible to assume the acc will be better off.  Multiple schools in the acc will want that action beyond those that join the sec/big 10.

I concede your point the GOR may not open as easily with the three new additions.  I’m not sure that’ll matter in another 7ish years though.  I’m certainly not confident like you are.  

Big 12 might have the better basketball conference this year but it's not even close when comparing their histories. acc is hands down better.

big 12 hasn't had to negotiate a deal since Bally's went bankrupt. live sports streaming bubble is popping.just ask mlb

BTW being back to the negotiating table earlier will actually be worse for them.