WR Fisher Arrested

[Velcro]

Also, about monthly vs weekly, when i said monthly, i meant weekly....

but compared to 17k... the 100bucks a week is not that difficult

If they are his Kids (i believe is true)

priorities should be:

1.  The kids

2.  Family

3.  Education

4.  Football

Shouldn't be playing football if "his" kids are gonna suffer... unless something gets worked out and he can use football earnings later to help them out.  Something needs to be worked out, one way or another.

[Bull94]

I think, with as much money as these kids bring in for their schools, that the schools should pay them a stipend of $60 a week for every kid they need to support. That would include the responsible fathers like K Verpale. I'm sure he and his wife could have used the extra money while he sacrificed working a full time job in order to play football. NY Times said we had like 60 kids between the football players. That would be like $187,000 a year. A drop in the bucket for what they bring in. That would be the humanitarian thing to do rather than using their services for free and making millions on it all while they are unable to work and help support their kids.

[South_Tampa_Knight]

I am stunned.  No BS here, I don't know what to think.  MikeG says"

"NOPE-- my problem with this entire situation is the government. How do they figure that a guy like Fisher can afford this money in the first place? I serioucly doubt he has a job other than school and football. Even if he does, you are talking about 4-500 dollars a month. Most college kids are happy as clams if they can scratch that much together for themselves, let alone someone else. I don't see how they calculated the number.  "

The numbers are based upon the income of the mother and father.  Then there is a table, you find the column of the number of kids involved, go down to the total amount of of income and thats it.  The mother pays a certain percentage as the father.  $480 a month fo two kids is probably the minimum.  I have friends that pay over $2,000 for one child.  He is lucky, his kids are not.

"As for the mothers-- they seem to have jumped the gun on this IMO. Perhaps they are not the ones hounding Fisher for the money (the state loves to throws its weight around). If they are the ones-- they are may be doing this now to establish a better deal for themselves if Fisher gets a pro deal someday perhaps. Sure-- the state madated these payments and yeah-- he should have worn a condem and blah blah blah-- woulda coulda shoulda--- let's talk about the "right now" involved here. Fisher has a chance to have a football career, if not a normal job AS LONG as crap like this doesn't derail those efforts. Suffer a little today and get paid in spades later ladies. My guess is the social workers are justing chomping at the bit. 17K is nothing compared to the damage they may have possible done to this players chances to make tons of money done the road.

You truely are a moron, think for a minute about the kids, what quality of life are they having about now.  As for when, its a state, thing, nothing up to the mother.  If you don't pay, they will find you.  What is amazing is how long it took for them to arrest him.  The loser did not make one payment.

"You also assume he has been acting irresponsibly SIMPLY BECAUSE HE GOT A GIRL PREGNANT. Were you there? Do you know, FOR A FACT, that he had unprotected sex? Or that the girls lied to him about being on the pill? Or any of a handful of other things that happened like the condem breaking/being defective. Who knows what led to the whole thing in the first place-- and who are we to judge this person? "

Well the state certainly has an idea of what happened.  When you have to pay child support, that means family court.  He had his day in court, knowing his track record, I am willing to bet he did not even show.

"The state uses this to start a bill with the father to pay for the child whether they have the means or not. So to get money they needed, Fisher et al submitted to this situation (who knows how willingly this occurred-- no one has said jack about how he is handling this-- just assumptions). "

Wrong again, Child support is a family court issue, not a welfare issue.  To get child support, you have to go to court to get it.

Open your friggen eyes there Mike.  Whether he meant to have kids or not, he has kids, by his own admittance on the state records.  If he is not a deadbeat dad, what is a dead beat dad.  They guy has not paid one penny towards these kids, what did he think was going to happen.  by the way, his run in with the police over a suspended license, that happens when you don't pay child support, so its not like he did not know what was hppening.

Mazza, you are supposibly a liberal, what happend to protecting the children, or does that only matter if its not a USF player in trouble.

I am not here to bash USF, but to read some of these posts defending this loser is amazaing.  He could have worked out a million ways to handle this, but he chose to ignore it.  He deserves jail.  He lives in a nice dorm, eats nice food and gets everything for free at USF, I wonder what his kids eat at night.

[smazza]

STK- what is your gripe with me. i didn't say kid shouldn't be supported. of course fisher should fulfill his obligations.

i am  mad at USF for letting this fester and not helping fisher(i know i am in minority)

who did I defend? stk- name the other guys that defended him.

stk-why are you acting crazy?

[South_Tampa_Knight]

I guess I don't understand how you can say that its a University thing.  I wonder if USF even knew this.  You say that USF should do something to help, I disagree.  The role of the university is to educate and guide a a young man through his time at school.  What could have USF done, if they help him, they break NCAA rules.

I don't have a problem with 90% of the posts on this thread, but MikeG's defense of him is disgusting.  I don't care about the mother or father, I care about the innocent kids.  They did not ask for this, now they are stuck with a deadbeat dad and who knows what of a mother.  What chances do they have?

[Velcro]

Religion should be in there too, but above football.  

His family should come before football... ALWAYS.  I don't care what goals you have for your life.  If you can't handle putting your family first and still doing football/college, maybe it isn't for you!

Once you have kids... your priorities MUST change, you are now responsible for the lives of people, people that can't provide for themselves... helpless kids.

If they aren't his kids, different story, but if they are his... THAT should be his priority... he made the bed, he should lie in it.  

Thos are MY feelings... we have enough kids suffering in the world because of dead beat dads, and if he truly is one... i feel bad for the kids.

[smazza]

stk- we just disagree on usf's role. i look to university as a surrogate parent when they come into one's home and offer a kid a schollie and make all the other promises.

i see your point.

i asure you if i was coach and i knew a player had a kid i would want proof he is making child support payments or he would be suspended.

no one would arrest one of my kids for that.

for the coach it is a bookkeeping issue.

[jfcohio]

I've got the first $5 to donate to the USF Athletic Vasectomy Clinic...

[South_Tampa_Knight]

This may be shocking to most USF fans, but I think USF is in the clear on this.  What could they do, what could Leavitt do, nothing.  I don't think its the role of a coach or school to ask a player if he is paying his support or not.  

A red flag should have gone up when he was detained for his license being suspended, although I doubt USF woulld have or could have known about that.

This is an individual thing, not USF.  If USF lets this kid play, then they now dirty their hands by supporting a man that does not support his kids.  Its all about character now.  Leavitt needs to send a message to his team.  The Royal situation is troubling enough.  

No joking here, the child thing at USF is in the news too much, first with Royal bringing his two year old while tresspassing, now this.  As much as I dislike Leavitt, I hope he does the right thing.  ITs not a UCF or USF thing, its just the right thing to do.  This is no longer about football teams, its about children, children that deserve much better.

[BullDoug]

smazza, as liberal as some of your opinions I've read, the university being a surrogate parent, strikes me as an uncharacteristic idea for a person who leans so far left.  A university being a surrogate parent smells of "big brother" syndrome.  I don't agree that a university considers itself as part of that role anymore.  Maybe back before 1975 but not in the mid 80s when I was going to school.  Now if you were in some kind of trouble, there usually is someplace you can go for advice but you must seek out the advice.  It doesn't come looking for you.  Also when its financial need usually you're on your own.

Personally, I think this is cut & dry.  Fisher created two children per the mothers.  If he signed the birth certs he's stuck with responsibility for life.  Unfortunately for Fisher these were probably unwanted children but now the $100/week ($5200/yr. - $20,400 during his time at USF) he makes must go to the mothers.  This type of money wooda been tuff for me to come by & go to school.  I'd assume the Brian choose school over work for child sup't.  Maybe the mothers weren't willing to see if Brian's NFL dreams paid out.

Can you say "A" "F" "L"?