Taggart SBNation Comment on USF

[GaUSFBull]

1 minute ago, chapelbull said:

I can see some being resentful for leaving before the job was finished, but the hate and trying to act like he can't coach is kind of extreme.  

You laid out the reasons for a coach leaving with stress on the highlighted part.  I don't know if he has more security.   I've said before and will continue to say, in our current state our coaches have a 3-5 year shelf life unless someone just really likes the environment here and is happy making a little less money with almost no shot at a title

I didn't really stress any one of those four tenets of what people look for in the job, but he did have as long a contract at Oregon as he had at USF, with twice the pay.  If that's not more security, I'm not sure what is.  

I completely agree with your statement in bold, though, and the sooner our fanbase accepts this to be true while we are in college football purgatory, the less depression and sadness those extremely emotional fans like puc86 will experience.  

[puc86]

4 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said:

Never understood why it's a bad thing to look for greener pastures.  I would think most of us would leave our current job if there was one where we could do what we love, get paid more, have a realistic chance to be at the top of our profession and have more security.  

Oregon offered all of that to Taggart.  But to some, he's a piece of crap for taking it.

 

 

It’s not a bad thing at all, it also doesn’t make you great. If you haven’t managed to win a bowl game and get your record to over .500 at some point you have to stop bouncing around and “do something”. There is a reason Lane Kiffin is at FAU and looked down upon and there is a reason CWT is ranked the most overrated coach by his peers. It’s time for the rubbber to meet the road for CWT and for someone that objectively has had limited success it’s not a great look taking pot shots at an administration that did support you when you were games of away from following your predecessor out the door. Of course CWT left the program in better shape he left on his own terms during his only period of success while Skippy got fired at his rock bottom. If CWT managed to lose a couple more games and get fired 2.5 years he would be discussed in the same regard as CSH.

[puc86]

4 minutes ago, chapelbull said:

I don't consider turning around 3 programs that were in disarray when he arrived "mediocre".  If he stayed here he would have easily surpass that "mediocre" w/l record

There is no chance you can claim his one year at Oregon resurrected anything. The others maybe debatable but 7-5 at WKU is hardly a world beater and I don’t remember him accomplishing much here that hasn’t been accomplished before. 

[JTrue]

2 minutes ago, puc86 said:

It’s not a bad thing at all, it also doesn’t make you great. If you haven’t managed to win a bowl game and get your record to over .500 at some point you have to stop bouncing around and “do something”. There is a reason Lane Kiffin is at FAU and looked down upon and there is a reason CWT is ranked the most overrated coach by his peers. It’s time for the rubbber to meet the road for CWT and for someone that objectively has had limited success it’s not a great look taking pot shots at an administration that did support you when you were games of away from following your predecessor out the door. Of course CWT left the program in better shape he left on his own terms during his only period of success while Skippy got fired at his rock bottom. If CWT managed to lose a couple more games and get fired 2.5 years he would be discussed in the same regard as CSH.

Could you provide a link to xCWT’s ranking amongst his peers? I hadn’t heard that.

[puc86]

1 minute ago, JTrue said:

Could you provide a link to xCWT’s ranking amongst his peers? I hadn’t heard that.

I would love to What do these guys know anyway

[GaUSFBull]

1 minute ago, puc86 said:

It’s not a bad thing at all, it also doesn’t make you great. 

You have to stop this.  Where has anyone said he's great?  Your straw man arguments are getting a bit tiresome. 

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If you haven’t managed to win a bowl game and get your record to over .500 at some point you have to stop bouncing around and “do something”. There is a reason Lane Kiffin is at FAU and looked down upon and there is a reason CWT is ranked the most overrated coach by his peers. 

The same fate that has befallen Kiffin could certainly happen to CWT - anything is possible, although I don't THINK it will happen - but face reality - if CWT has success at FSU, he's not going to go anywhere else, for at least a while. 

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It’s time for the rubbber to meet the road for CWT

I think CWT, and any other grownup for that matter, is capable of determining this for themselves.  

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and for someone that objectively has had limited success it’s not a great look taking pot shots at an administration that did support you when you were games of away from following your predecessor out the door. 

This is nothing but an assumption on your part - you have no idea how close he was to be fired at any given time.

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 If CWT managed to lose a couple more games and get fired 2.5 years he would be discussed in the same regard as CSH.

I'm sorry this didn't happen so you could crow about how bad a coach CWT was, and that you are relegated to just parroting how mediocre he was.  

[GaUSFBull]

8 minutes ago, JTrue said:

Could you provide a link to xCWT’s ranking amongst his peers? I hadn’t heard that.

 

6 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I would love to What do these guys know anyway

Interesting quote from that article:

 

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Meanwhile, comments on Taggart mostly surrounded jealously that he obtained a job like FSU despite not necessarily putting the resume on paper that some others have to this point in their careers.

 

[chapelbull]

13 minutes ago, GaUSFBull said:

I didn't really stress any one of those four tenets of what people look for in the job, but he did have as long a contract at Oregon as he had at USF, with twice the pay.  If that's not more security, I'm not sure what is.  

I completely agree with your statement in bold, though, and the sooner our fanbase accepts this to be true while we are in college football purgatory, the less depression and sadness those extremely emotional fans like puc86 will experience.  

I meant where I bolded was an area I would stress.  And by job security, I was looking at not being fired as easily.  You are correct, he's getting paid and has more security overall at the P5 schools even if expectations are higher.

[puc86]

1 minute ago, GaUSFBull said:

 

Interesting quote from that article:

 

 

I found these more interesting and interestingly familiar:

 

 

• "Willie Taggart because he still has a career losing record." 
• “I would say Willie Taggart at Florida State. He was only at Oregon for one year, and it's not like he really transformed that program -- and that's a place that's won for a long time. Not that he isn't good -- he's won. But usually when you get a job like Florida State, it's because you've won some championships or done something really amazing."

[GaUSFBull]

1 minute ago, chapelbull said:

I meant where I bolded was an area I would stress.  And by job security, I was looking at not being fired as easily.  You are correct, he's getting paid and has more security overall at the P5 schools even if expectations are higher.

I gotcha.  And somehow I think the egos on most college coaches are big enough to where they don't worry too much about whether or not they would be fired easily from a school.  

Just now, puc86 said:

I found these more interesting and interestingly familiar:

 

 

• "Willie Taggart because he still has a career losing record." 
• “I would say Willie Taggart at Florida State. He was only at Oregon for one year, and it's not like he really transformed that program -- and that's a place that's won for a long time. Not that he isn't good -- he's won. But usually when you get a job like Florida State, it's because you've won some championships or done something really amazing."

Sounds to me like two guys who were in the running for the FSU job but didn't get it.