Who's the starting QB?

[El_Toro_86]

If this not being able to throw at all, where does Flowers rank?

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601305

Best part of that video was the look on Skip Holtz's face at the end.

[Calibull]

If this not being able to throw at all, where does Flowers rank?

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11601305

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/nick-marshall-2/gamelog/2013/

 

Don't show one highlight... just look at the numbers.  You're dead wrong... and anytime you're defending yourself with a highlight... it's kinda pathetic.

 

a lot of 10 completion games in there... lots of 100 yard rushing games though.

[Bull-Hornz]

I'm starting to question if you guys even know the offense we're running this season.... more or less the guys running it.  It's ok though... keep believing Nick Marshall was a good passer.  lol  

   

 

 

 

As you will see in many post above this is the type of production we need 10-20 completions a game with more passing TDs than INTs. Think uou are selling NM a little short. If either guy puts up those numbers passing at USF we will be bowling for sure.

we don't need 20 completions a game to win in this offense.  Have you even watched an Auburn game?  The year they played FSU for the title, his first year playing QB there... he only once completed more than 17 passes in a game.  Stats don't lie..

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/nick-marshall-2/gamelog/2013/

 

 

I love how the stats break down your point, your bring up straw-man arguments, and question knowledge. Best sign of a weak argument. Instead of doing the same lets see if this clarifies it for ya a bit...

• 10-20 mean anything in between 10 to 20 passes, it could be 10, 11, 12...20. See how that works

• No one said he was Peyton Manning just a better passer than we have had at USF for several years including what Flowers did last year. 

See the following:

 

Nick Marshall

Passing                                              Rushing

Year Team Comp Att Yds TD INT Rate  Att Yds Avg TD

2013 Auburn 142 239 1,976 14 6 143.2 172 1068 6.2 12

2014 Auburn 178 293 2,532 20 7 148.7 153 798 5.2 11

 

 

 Mike White - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2013 6-5 93 175 53.1 1,083 3 9 180.5                   14 -43 0

2014 11-10 122 242 50.4 1,639 8 7 149.0              29 -85 0

 

 Steven Bench - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD                        

2013 7-2 26 64 40.6 392 2 3 56.0                          7 -30 0

2014 6-1 49 100 49.0 611 3 2 101.8                      16 -15 1

 

Quinton Flowers - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2014 5-1 8 20 40.0 111 0 2 22.2                           13 73 0

Edited August 17, 2015 by Bull-Hornz

[CPR]

 

 

What I saw on Saturday in Steven Bench was a QB who made some nice throws and some poor decisions who also had a nice TD run.

 

What I saw on Saturday in Quinton Flowers was a RB trying to play QB.

I was there on Saturday and totally agree with you.    Same situation as last year with QF.    He's a RB trying to play QB.

 

Luckily this offense is a college offense and a running QB is ideal.  Nick Marshall was  a DB being successful as a QB in this system and he couldn't throw at all.  Cool right?

 

 

Yes, but Nick Marshall also became the #1 Dual Threat JUCO QB, so it's hard to compare. Marshall was also about 3 inches taller than Quinton.

[Calibull]

 

 

 

What I saw on Saturday in Steven Bench was a QB who made some nice throws and some poor decisions who also had a nice TD run.

 

What I saw on Saturday in Quinton Flowers was a RB trying to play QB.

I was there on Saturday and totally agree with you.    Same situation as last year with QF.    He's a RB trying to play QB.

 

Luckily this offense is a college offense and a running QB is ideal.  Nick Marshall was  a DB being successful as a QB in this system and he couldn't throw at all.  Cool right?

 

 

Yes, but Nick Marshall also became the #1 Dual Threat JUCO QB, so it's hard to compare. Marshall was also about 3 inches taller than Quinton.

 

 

He was the #1 Dual Threat QB in JUCO?  Link please... that should be easy for you to find.  Most schools recruited him as a DB even in Juco.  Auburn needed a running qb for the system and took him.  I mean that's not a hard thing to prove and he being 3 inches taller than Flowers matter when running this offense?  I still don't think any of you actually knew what type of spread it was until camp started.  I still don't think you understand it.

[SANJAY]

I would be stunned to see either QB put up Nick Marshall's passing numbers. Just below 60% completion and 2:1 and 3:1 TD:INT ratios. New system with new receivers are not conducive to those types of numbers. Would love to be wrong.

However, the one Nick Marshall number I would like to see is the roughly 20 pass attempts a game. That's a good number for us. The difference between where we are 40-50% to 60% is not huge as it is 2-4 plays a game. Not impossible.

Also, I understand the thought of needing the pass game to force defenses out of man and into zone. I think you can get there in reverse by having the QB run and making the defense stay in lanes so you can pass. Of course I don't get paid anything to figure this out.

[Calibull]

 

I'm starting to question if you guys even know the offense we're running this season.... more or less the guys running it.  It's ok though... keep believing Nick Marshall was a good passer.  lol  

   

 

 

 

As you will see in many post above this is the type of production we need 10-20 completions a game with more passing TDs than INTs. Think uou are selling NM a little short. If either guy puts up those numbers passing at USF we will be bowling for sure.

we don't need 20 completions a game to win in this offense.  Have you even watched an Auburn game?  The year they played FSU for the title, his first year playing QB there... he only once completed more than 17 passes in a game.  Stats don't lie..

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/nick-marshall-2/gamelog/2013/

 

 

I love how the stats break down your point, your bring up straw-man arguments, and question knowledge. Best sign of a weak argument. Instead of doing the same lets see if this clarifies it for ya a bit...

• 10-20 mean anything in between 10 to 20 passes, it could be 10, 11, 12...20. See how that works

• No one said he was Peyton Manning just a better passer than we have had at USF for several years including what Flowers did last year. 

See the following:

 

Nick Marshall

Passing                                              Rushing

Year Team Comp Att Yds TD INT Rate  Att Yds Avg TD

2013 Auburn 142 239 1,976 14 6 143.2 172 1068 6.2 12

2014 Auburn 178 293 2,532 20 7 148.7 153 798 5.2 11

 

 

 Mike White - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2013 6-5 93 175 53.1 1,083 3 9 180.5                   14 -43 0

2014 11-10 122 242 50.4 1,639 8 7 149.0              29 -85 0

 

 Steven Bench - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD                        

2013 7-2 26 64 40.6 392 2 3 56.0                          7 -30 0

2014 6-1 49 100 49.0 611 3 2 101.8                      16 -15 1

 

Quinton Flowers - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2014 5-1 8 20 40.0 111 0 2 22.2                           13 73 0

 

 

 

You are literally comparing two different offenses and trying to draw a correlation.  The only correlation you will be able to draw would be from this years sample when they would have all been in the same offense.  No straw man at all... but you are guilty of a questionable analogy... apples and oranges.  I'm beginning to think you don't actually know anything about football.  Have  you actually ever played football?  and been good at it?  

[CPR]

 

 

 

 

What I saw on Saturday in Steven Bench was a QB who made some nice throws and some poor decisions who also had a nice TD run.

 

What I saw on Saturday in Quinton Flowers was a RB trying to play QB.

I was there on Saturday and totally agree with you.    Same situation as last year with QF.    He's a RB trying to play QB.

 

Luckily this offense is a college offense and a running QB is ideal.  Nick Marshall was  a DB being successful as a QB in this system and he couldn't throw at all.  Cool right?

 

 

Yes, but Nick Marshall also became the #1 Dual Threat JUCO QB, so it's hard to compare. Marshall was also about 3 inches taller than Quinton.

 

 

He was the #1 Dual Threat QB in JUCO?  Link please... that should be easy for you to find.  Most schools recruited him as a DB even in Juco.  Auburn needed a running qb for the system and took him.  I mean that's not a hard thing to prove and he being 3 inches taller than Flowers matter when running this offense?  I still don't think any of you actually knew what type of spread it was until camp started.  I still don't think you understand it.

 

 

Again, we understand the system. I don't know why you have to act so superior to everyone, like we're morons or something. A lot of people have seen Flowers the last week and just aren't as high on him as you are. I'm hoping he can turn it around in the next 19 days since he'll probably be the starter. Here's the link you wanted:

 

Nick Marshall

6-2, 210 | Class of 2013

• HometownPineview, Ga.
• SchoolGarden City Community College (JC)
• PositionQuarterback: Dual-threat
• Status Signed Auburn  01/13/2013

Scout Grade

• 80

1 POSITION      

 

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/170893/nick-marshall

Edited August 17, 2015 by CPR

[Calibull]

I would be stunned to see either QB put up Nick Marshall's passing numbers. Just below 60% completion and 2:1 and 3:1 TD:INT ratios. New system with new receivers are not conducive to those types of numbers. Would love to be wrong.

However, the one Nick Marshall number I would like to see is the roughly 20 pass attempts a game. That's a good number for us. The difference between where we are 40-50% to 60% is not huge as it is 2-4 plays a game. Not impossible.

Also, I understand the thought of needing the pass game to force defenses out of man and into zone. I think you can get there in reverse by having the QB run and making the defense stay in lanes so you can pass. Of course I don't get paid anything to figure this out.

 

I agree...  I argue nothing I think you're correct.

[Bull-Hornz]

 

I'm starting to question if you guys even know the offense we're running this season.... more or less the guys running it.  It's ok though... keep believing Nick Marshall was a good passer.  lol  

   

 

 

 

As you will see in many post above this is the type of production we need 10-20 completions a game with more passing TDs than INTs. Think uou are selling NM a little short. If either guy puts up those numbers passing at USF we will be bowling for sure.

we don't need 20 completions a game to win in this offense.  Have you even watched an Auburn game?  The year they played FSU for the title, his first year playing QB there... he only once completed more than 17 passes in a game.  Stats don't lie..

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/nick-marshall-2/gamelog/2013/

 

 

I love how the stats break down your point, your bring up straw-man arguments, and question knowledge. Best sign of a weak argument. Instead of doing the same lets see if this clarifies it for ya a bit...

• 10-20 mean anything in between 10 to 20 passes, it could be 10, 11, 12...20. See how that works

• No one said he was Peyton Manning just a better passer than we have had at USF for several years including what Flowers did last year. 

See the following:

 

Nick Marshall

Passing                                              Rushing

Year Team Comp Att Yds TD INT Rate  Att Yds Avg TD

2013 Auburn 142 239 1,976 14 6 143.2 172 1068 6.2 12

2014 Auburn 178 293 2,532 20 7 148.7 153 798 5.2 11

 

 

 Mike White - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2013 6-5 93 175 53.1 1,083 3 9 180.5                   14 -43 0

2014 11-10 122 242 50.4 1,639 8 7 149.0              29 -85 0

 

 Steven Bench - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD                        

2013 7-2 26 64 40.6 392 2 3 56.0                          7 -30 0

2014 6-1 49 100 49.0 611 3 2 101.8                      16 -15 1

 

Quinton Flowers - Career Statistics

Passing                                                             Rushing

Year GP-GS COMP ATT PCT YDS TD INT YDS/G ATT YDS TD

2014 5-1 8 20 40.0 111 0 2 22.2                           13 73 0

 

 

Apologies for the formatting but I could figure out how to keep it formatted as it was displayed when I pasted it in. Here are the links if you want the formatted data. Even took the time to add some cliff notes and calculated the Comp% and passer rating.

 

Nick Marshall

2013 : Passing 142 for 239 with 14 TD 6 INTs | Completion % 59.4 | QB rating 143.1 

2014:  Passing 178 for 293 with 20 TD 7 INTs | Completion % 60.8 | QB rating 150.1 

 

Mike White

2013: Passing 93 for 175 with 3 TD 9 INTs     | Completion % 53.1 | QB rating 100.5 

2014: Passing 122 for 242 with 8 TD 7 INTs    |Completion % 50.4 | QB rating 112.4 

 

Steven Bench

2013: Passing 26 for 64 with 2 TD 3 INTs       |Completion % 40.6 | QB rating 93.0 

2014: Passing 49 for 100 with 3 TD 2 INTs     |Completion % 49.0 | QB rating 106.2 

 

Quinton Flowers

2014: Passing 8 for 20 with 0 TD and 2 INTs   |Completion % 40 | QB rating 66.6