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[Triple B]

We went somewhere with Anderson Jr, Fitzpatrick, Rudd, & Gilchrist, AC was along for the ride.

LOL ... I see now where that 20 win, NCAA prediction of yours came from ... Carry on.

[flsportsfan83]

 

 

 

 

 

Where's that poster that would get miffed anytime someone would post that this team just doesn't have the talent yet earlier in the season? That guy was a trip. We need some front court help.

Hi

Are we still going to the Tourney with more than 20 wins?

Nope, not this season. This team regressed when it comes to the fundamentals. Originally the fundamentals were there. Go back and watch the first few games (regardless of the level of competition), including the game vs NCST (12-5, 3-1 ACC with a 12 pt win over Duke). Fundamentals, when they exist, exist versus the worst and best teams because fundamentals are the most basic basketball skills one must have to play the game. We played NC State VERY close and could have won. THAT was the game which we showed what I believed to be the makings of a 20 win team. Except in our case, we never built on that game and improved our team flow and didn't maintain those fundamentals. Another example in demonstration of fundamentals was the way COA would call a timeout and set a play and the players came out and executed. That showed an ability to take direction and execute (that's much tougher to do for a young inexperienced team than it might sound). That no longer happens the same. We regressed and therefore have no chance at 20 wins. We are in an ugly conference. Teams in our conference are not unbeatable if we had simply improved over the course of the season as one would expect and stuck to the fundamentals I believed we had possessed early on in the season. This isn't like in years past in the Big East where conference games were actually a BIG step up in competition and we could expect to be slaughtered. This is a weak conference and that is NOT the reason why we have had much worse results than in the early non-conference games. Although a good player, we are never going anywhere with Anthony Collins as our PG. Because we have no other others besides moving CAJ to point and throwing off his offensive game, we have no answer. AC moves too slow (he has spurts of quickness but his overall movement with the ball is sluggish and laid back). This should improved over the coming years with better talent coming in to control the ball. Guerrero seems to be the only player on the team who is learning & improving over the course of the season, which is a good thing because he's just a freshman and will be a force over the next 3 seasons. Although we aren't having success this season, it'll be fun to watch the team develop under COA and how new talent that USF has never been capable of bringing in before starts looking at us seriously and choosing USF as their school.

...Hopefully

You don't peak as team the 4th game of the year, especially when only 3 players have 1A game experience. This team is exactly what most thought it would be ... at best, inconsistent. Like bc said, Zeigler appears to have improved .... Maybe Sunday was Holston's coming out game as a legit scoring threat. Guerrero looks to be a keeper but he disappeared offensively on Sunday. Its' the growing pains you go through with young players at our level.

And as far as "we are never going anywhere with Anthony Collins as our PG" .... we already have.

How many years ago was that? He was a one trick pony that was easily scouted after year 1. Only then did he have "new tricks" that would help him control a game. He's simply the guy who dribbles the ball down the court now. Don't get me wrong, I was a HUGE AC fan. Unfortunately he hasn't done much of that since. Blame injuries, that's the easy thing to do. However, he's playing healthy now and is unable to replicate his finesse of year 1. We went somewhere with Anderson Jr, Fitzpatrick, Rudd, & Gilchrist, AC was along for the ride.

 

 

 

LOL Collins was just along for the ride? Laughable.... Collins was the biggest part of that team.

 

Has he regressed, yes....but to say that he was just along for the ride shows how clueless you are.

[charsibb]

IDK if you could say he's "regressed" so much as that he's more suited to the half-court game CSH ran than the full-court game COA runs.

[Triple B]

IDK if you could say he's "regressed" so much as that he's more suited to the half-court game CSH ran than the full-court game COA runs.

 

Actually though, if you compare stats between the seasons, he's around the same as he was in the run year ... I think what's glaringly missing is the consistency of his little high floating shot in the key. His assists are up, turnovers down .... ft% is down 10%, though. Of course, need to wait and see how they compare at end of season.

[charsibb]

Alley Oops are down significantly.

[Triple B]

Alley Oops are down significantly.

 

Haven't really tried a lot this year ... making it even more surprising his assists are up a bit.

[Vega]

IDK if you could say he's "regressed" so much as that he's more suited to the half-court game CSH ran than the full-court game COA runs.

Yeah AC is not suited for Coach Antigua's system which is why COA is trying to sign a PG to play next season. In COA system the PG has to a threat to score thus putting pressure on the opposing defense. It's what he learned working for Coach Dixon and Coach Calipari. Just look around CBB nowadays, most teams have PGs that are scoring threats and we get killed at that position constantly because AC just isn't capable. When you lose the battle at the PG, which is the head, it's hard to win in basketball on any level.

 

Our backcourt has been dominated most games and the results show. Got to get better there and fast. Guys like Lyle(PG) and Eubanks(SG) start from day 1 if they come to USF.

[USFBulls12]

IDK if you could say he's "regressed" so much as that he's more suited to the half-court game CSH ran than the full-court game COA runs.

Yeah AC is not suited for Coach Antigua's system which is why COA is trying to sign a PG to play next season. In COA system the PG has to a threat to score thus putting pressure on the opposing defense. It's what he learned working for Coach Dixon and Coach Calipari. Just look around CBB nowadays, most teams have PGs that are scoring threats and we get killed at that position constantly because AC just isn't capable. When you lose the battle at the PG, which is the head, it's hard to win in basketball on any level.

Our backcourt has been dominated most games and the results show. Got to get better there and fast. Guys like Lyle(PG) and Eubanks(SG) start from day 1 if they come to USF.

Hence, why I say he was along for the ride a few years ago. His numbers are similar this season and he wasn't that good in the games he played last season. We're talking about replacing him as a senior PG simply because he's not good enough to play "in this system". This "system" is called basketball. If he can't run, he doesn't belong on a basketball court. If he can't score, he doesn't belong on a basketball court. That's what this "system" comes down to. I know many of you are just football fans and only come to the basketball threads because you're bored in the off-season and love to argue. This isn't football, there is no major scheme involved. Playing basketball is pretty simple if you're skilled enough in it. You can take any PG who is considered skilled in his position and put him in Heath's "system" or in Antigua's "system" and he'll play basketball in both to the best of his abilities. AC was using playing techniques that were a bit unusual at first and he was overlooked as a Freshman PG at South Florida. However, when you combine that different, slow, grinding style of play with the likes of a three point shooter in Fitzpatrick, the height and wingspan of Gilchrist, and the athleticism of Rudd, you start to have someone who overachieves until he doesn't. After AC was found out, he's basically been shut down, especially by the knowledgable coaches and guards. If you can't keep up with the other 9 players playing basketball on the court, you can't play on that court with those other players. If you put AC in a lower level of play like a D-II school, he would absolutely dominate. His style of play simply does not translate into victories on this level. Edited January 16, 2015 by USFBulls12

[charsibb]

Someone else mentioned they thought AC shoud be a Globetrotter - hopefully COA can get AC a tryout with them after graduation. Would LOVE to see AC playing for them.

[USFBulls12]

Someone else mentioned they thought AC shoud be a Globetrotter - hopefully COA can get AC a tryout with them after graduation. Would LOVE to see AC playing for them.

...not sure if serious.