Well with the new GOR deal

[WoolyBully]

I think the most grating issue for us is that we don't influence, let alone control, any part of the timetable. As for 'wait and see', well that could very well be a decade from now. Why not spend time in the AAC building a sold base with a nice portfolio of conference championships? I think we'd be better served to be 'wanted' vice 'needed' anyway. A while back, I ran across a quote from one of the ACC honchos on the subject of adding Uconn and/or Cinci. He said, to the effect, 'if we want them, we know where to find them. They're not going anywhere anytime soon." Which leads me to think that, although not cast-in-stone-complete, we will enter a period of relative stability once autumn rolls around. I think THOSE IN CHARGE are having a pow-wow this week to determine bowl inclusion/rotation for the '14 season playoff, and I would imagine they want to work out as many kinks as possible before having to dilute the dollar dope any farther. 

[Woogie53]

GOR is huge and could be a great thing for USF/ UCF/ UConn and Cincy.

ACC now like the Big 12, Pac, and  Big 10 have these in place. SEC does not but doesnt need one.   So basically no schools would be smart to leave any of these conferences , If they do they leave , the leave behind all tv money for the the lenght of the contract. (tv money is the lifeline).

 

So expansion will only occur moving forward from conferences like the AAC, MWV, Conf USA. 

Big 12 and Big 10 have both expressed that they want to expand or get into Fla.  (With Miami and FSU off the market) that leaves us and UCF.

Big 12 came out with statement that they wanted bowl ties within a close drive to their home schools and want Fla in the mix.

Big 10 has expressed a desire to expand into ACC/ SEC territory, Well now the ACC schools(FSU Miami) are no longer avail.

Now lets hope Judy Doesnt F it up. 

 

Worse case is we get stuck in this conference.  We have to follow the money if an offer is made avail to us from the Big 10, Big 12 or ACC.

 

Why would the B10 want USF? Why would the Big 12 wants USF? Unfortunately USF brings nothing to the table besides a very tiny recruiting pipeline. If USF had the fanbase of FSU, they'd possibly stand a chance. 

[namuh-bull]

Why would the Big 10 want Rutgers?

Go Bulls!

[Joe]

GOR is huge and could be a great thing for USF/ UCF/ UConn and Cincy.

ACC now like the Big 12, Pac, and Big 10 have these in place. SEC does not but doesnt need one. So basically no schools would be smart to leave any of these conferences , If they do they leave , the leave behind all tv money for the the lenght of the contract. (tv money is the lifeline).

So expansion will only occur moving forward from conferences like the AAC, MWV, Conf USA.

Big 12 and Big 10 have both expressed that they want to expand or get into Fla. (With Miami and FSU off the market) that leaves us and UCF.

Big 12 came out with statement that they wanted bowl ties within a close drive to their home schools and want Fla in the mix.

Big 10 has expressed a desire to expand into ACC/ SEC territory, Well now the ACC schools(FSU Miami) are no longer avail.

Now lets hope Judy Doesnt F it up.

Worse case is we get stuck in this conference. We have to follow the money if an offer is made avail to us from the Big 10, Big 12 or ACC.

Why would the B10 want USF? Why would the Big 12 wants USF? Unfortunately USF brings nothing to the table besides a very tiny recruiting pipeline. If USF had the fanbase of FSU, they'd possibly stand a chance.

The Big 10 isn't happening. The Big 12 is a possibility, but those who believe the market alone will get us there are mistaken.

[South_Florida_Flip]

Why would the Big 10 want Rutgers?

Go Bulls!

 

1 reason and 1 reason only.

[Cow Pie]

 

GOR is huge and could be a great thing for USF/ UCF/ UConn and Cincy.

ACC now like the Big 12, Pac, and  Big 10 have these in place. SEC does not but doesnt need one.   So basically no schools would be smart to leave any of these conferences , If they do they leave , the leave behind all tv money for the the lenght of the contract. (tv money is the lifeline).

 

So expansion will only occur moving forward from conferences like the AAC, MWV, Conf USA. 

Big 12 and Big 10 have both expressed that they want to expand or get into Fla.  (With Miami and FSU off the market) that leaves us and UCF.

Big 12 came out with statement that they wanted bowl ties within a close drive to their home schools and want Fla in the mix.

Big 10 has expressed a desire to expand into ACC/ SEC territory, Well now the ACC schools(FSU Miami) are no longer avail.

Now lets hope Judy Doesnt F it up. 

 

Worse case is we get stuck in this conference.  We have to follow the money if an offer is made avail to us from the Big 10, Big 12 or ACC.

 

Why would the B10 want USF? Why would the Big 12 wants USF? Unfortunately USF brings nothing to the table besides a very tiny recruiting pipeline. If USF had the fanbase of FSU, they'd possibly stand a chance. 

 

 

USF ranks higher then most of the Big12 bottom dwellers in average attendance, enrolled students, and TV market categories. Also the Big12 is stating that they want into the Florida market... since UF, FSU, and Miami are all off of the market, its safe to assume that they are either hinting about adding us or they might considering adding USF and UCF as a combo deal.

 

If they were to add USF and UCF then the Big12 would be back to full strength again.

 

Lets face reality here... its about 2AM and we are the last semi-attractive girl left at the bar and the Big12 is desperate... we got this in the bag.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Bubba Bull

[Joe]

USF ranks higher then most of the Big12 bottom dwellers in average attendance, enrolled students, and TV market categories.

Our attendance has been a massively inflated number the last two years.

Unless the Big 12 starts a network, or Fox/ESPN offer more money to add USF, TV market is relative.

Also the Big12 is stating that they want into the Florida market... since UF, FSU, and Miami are all off of the market, its safe to assume that they are either hinting about adding us or they might considering adding USF and UCF as a combo deal.

For bowl games. There has been no direct proof that the Big 12 is out to just add any presence in the state.

If they were to add USF and UCF then the Big12 would be back to full strength again.

Yeah. That's what they need...

Lets face reality here... its about 2AM and we are the last semi-attractive girl left at the bar and the Big12 is desperate... we got this in the bag.

We're one of the most attractive pieces left, but lets not ignore BYU, UConn, Cincy, and Boise State.

I just don't believe the Big 12 is really ready to expand. If you believe the rumors, They were willing to wait months for FSU...

[charsibb]

IMO, with this move the ACC just cemented their place in the Top 64/ Power Four leagues, along with the B1G, PAC, and SEC.

 

All eyes are now on Texas and Oklahoma.

 

These two teams are definitely in the Top64/ P4, but Kansas? Iowa State? Baylor? K-State? Not so much.

 

I think Texas and Oklahoma will bolt for the PAC, probably taking TT and OSU with them, and that will be the end of the B12 as a P4 conference. What's left of it will be back in the "best of the rest"

 

Might take a few years, until the B12 GOR gets a little cheaper, for it to happen. But going to the B12 is not a good long-term solution for us, IMO.

 

We're better off in the AAC, we just need to find some additional revenue.

- ticket sales

- parking and concessions from an OCS

- merchandise sales

- better tier 3 package

 

Once the AAC gets a little traction, and shows some solid advertising revenue, renegotiate the TV contract.

 

Go Bulls!!

[Quo Vadis]

IMO, with this move the ACC just cemented their place in the Top 64/ Power Four leagues, along with the B1G, PAC, and SEC.

 

All eyes are now on Texas and Oklahoma.

 

These two teams are definitely in the Top64/ P4, but Kansas? Iowa State? Baylor? K-State? Not so much.

 

I think Texas and Oklahoma will bolt for the PAC, probably taking TT and OSU with them, and that will be the end of the B12 as a P4 conference. What's left of it will be back in the "best of the rest"

 

Might take a few years, until the B12 GOR gets a little cheaper, for it to happen. But going to the B12 is not a good long-term solution for us, IMO.

 

We're better off in the AAC, we just need to find some additional revenue.

- ticket sales

- parking and concessions from an OCS

- merchandise sales

- better tier 3 package

 

Once the AAC gets a little traction, and shows some solid advertising revenue, renegotiate the TV contract.

 

Go Bulls!!

 

I agree that in the short run, since we've been given lemons, we have to make the best of it and make lemonade. But this is going to be difficult because with the loss of the higher-profile Big East teams, our football schedule just isn't very appealing, and that drives ticket sales, concessions, merch sales, etc.

 

In an ideal world, all of us Bulls supporters would open our wallets the same no matter who we play, but the reality is it just isn't so.

[Quo Vadis]

 

 

USF ranks higher then most of the Big12 bottom dwellers in average attendance, enrolled students, and TV market categories.

Our attendance has been a massively inflated number the last two years.

Unless the Big 12 starts a network, or Fox/ESPN offer more money to add USF, TV market is relative.

Also the Big12 is stating that they want into the Florida market... since UF, FSU, and Miami are all off of the market, its safe to assume that they are either hinting about adding us or they might considering adding USF and UCF as a combo deal.

For bowl games. There has been no direct proof that the Big 12 is out to just add any presence in the state.

If they were to add USF and UCF then the Big12 would be back to full strength again.

Yeah. That's what they need...

Lets face reality here... its about 2AM and we are the last semi-attractive girl left at the bar and the Big12 is desperate... we got this in the bag.

We're one of the most attractive pieces left, but lets not ignore BYU, UConn, Cincy, and Boise State.

I just don't believe the Big 12 is really ready to expand. If you believe the rumors, They were willing to wait months for FSU...

 

 

 

USF ranks higher then most of the Big12 bottom dwellers in average attendance, enrolled students, and TV market categories.

Our attendance has been a massively inflated number the last two years.

Unless the Big 12 starts a network, or Fox/ESPN offer more money to add USF, TV market is relative.

Also the Big12 is stating that they want into the Florida market... since UF, FSU, and Miami are all off of the market, its safe to assume that they are either hinting about adding us or they might considering adding USF and UCF as a combo deal.

For bowl games. There has been no direct proof that the Big 12 is out to just add any presence in the state.

If they were to add USF and UCF then the Big12 would be back to full strength again.

Yeah. That's what they need...

Lets face reality here... its about 2AM and we are the last semi-attractive girl left at the bar and the Big12 is desperate... we got this in the bag.

We're one of the most attractive pieces left, but lets not ignore BYU, UConn, Cincy, and Boise State.

I just don't believe the Big 12 is really ready to expand. If you believe the rumors, They were willing to wait months for FSU...

 

 

According to the networks, we are less attractive than Houston, Temple, UConn, and Cincy.

 

I just don't see the Big 12 having any interest in us. There is no evidence that any P5 thinks we are worth the incremental $20 million more per year we would need to be to justify splitting the pie more ways. I do not expect the Big 12 to expand at all, the money just doesn't add up for it.