Coach Leavitt endorses UCF for Big East expansion:

[Guest]

There is one... ONE reason that UCF would be interesting.

U.S. TV Household Estimates Designated

Market Area (DMA) — Ranked by Households

Rank    Designated Market Area (DMA)     TV Households      % of US

1   New York, NY 7,433,820   6.495

2   Los Angeles, CA 5,654,260   4.940

3   Chicago, IL 3,492,850   3.052

4   Philadelphia, PA 2,950,220   2.578

5   Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 2,489,970   2.175

6   San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 2,476,450   2.164

7   Boston, MA (Manchester, NH) 2,409,080   2.105

8   Atlanta, GA 2,369,780   2.070

9   Washington, DC (Hagerstown, MD) 2,321,610   2.028

10   Houston, TX 2,106,210   1.840

11   Detroit, MI 1,926,970   1.684

12   Phoenix, AZ 1,855,930   1.622

13   Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota), FL 1,822,160   1.592

14   Seattle-Tacoma, WA 1,819,970   1.590

15   Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 1,730,530   1.512

16   Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL 1,546,920   1.352

17   Cleveland-Akron (Canton), OH 1,524,930   1.332

18   Denver, CO 1,524,210   1.332

19   Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, FL 1,466,420   1.281

20   Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, CA 1,399,520   1.223

21   St. Louis, MO 1,249,820   1.092

22   Portland, OR 1,175,100   1.027

23   Pittsburgh, PA 1,156,460   1.010

24   Charlotte, NC 1,122,860   0.981

25   Indianapolis, IN 1,114,970   0.974

26   Baltimore, MD 1,102,080   0.963

27   Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville), NC 1,080,680   0.944

28   San Diego, CA 1,066,680   0.932

29   Nashville, TN 1,016,290   0.888

30   Hartford and New Haven, CT 1,014,990   0.887

31   Kansas City, MO 937,970   0.819

32   Columbus, OH 925,840   0.809

33   Salt Lake City, UT 919,390   0.803

34   Cincinnati, OH 915,570   0.800

35   Milwaukee, WI 905,350   0.791

36   Greenville-Spartanburg, SC-Asheville, NC-Anderson,SC 858,050   0.750

37   San Antonio, TX 818,560   0.715

38   West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce, FL 779,430   0.681

39   Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, MI 741,420   0.648

40   Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa), AL 739,750   0.646

41   Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York, PA 738,880   0.646

42   Las Vegas, NV 728,410   0.636

43   Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News, VA 718,020   0.627

44   Albuquerque-Santa Fe, NM 689,120   0.602

45   Oklahoma City, OK 687,300   0.600

46   Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem, NC 685,110   0.599

47   Jacksonville, FL 674,860   0.590

48   Memphis, TN 673,770   0.589

49   Austin, TX 667,670   0.583

50   Louisville, KY 667,230   0.583

[813knight]

Well, I think if you're making a case for entry into the Big East, you might want to find a way to include the football program as a good reason....maybe in place of "Incredible academics" NOBODY's buying that one! 

:ROFLMAO

didn't USF have a losing record the season before being invited to the Big East? that throws out that argument

[Cow Pie]

WoW... I had no idea that the Orlando market was that high up on the list... from an economic stand point which would factor more from a Big East market stand point... TV Audience or extra Bowl Game...

???

[Guest]

Well, I think if you're making a case for entry into the Big East, you might want to find a way to include the football program as a good reason....maybe in place of "Incredible academics" NOBODY's buying that one! 

:ROFLMAO

didn't USF have a losing record the season before being invited to the Big East? that throws out that argument

Um. Nope.

USF was "invited" to join in November of 2003.  At the time USF was 5-3 including some great overtime wins over Louisville and Cincinnati... the "season before being invited" USF was 9-2 and almost went to a bowl game ... in our SECOND YEAR of I-A ball.

[UCFChad]

Well, I think if you're making a case for entry into the Big East, you might want to find a way to include the football program as a good reason....maybe in place of "Incredible academics" NOBODY's buying that one! 

:ROFLMAO

didn't USF have a losing record the season before being invited to the Big East? that throws out that argument

813, don't worry about their merits, worry about our viability.  Point is, we are the most attractive and lucrative when we look at the totality of the circumstances.  What we offer is attractive and is a trump card to any other competition. The proof is in the pooding.

[Brad]

Well, I think if you're making a case for entry into the Big East, you might want to find a way to include the football program as a good reason....maybe in place of "Incredible academics" NOBODY's buying that one! 

:ROFLMAO

didn't USF have a losing record the season before being invited to the Big East? that throws out that argument

Yep, a losing record twice in its history, counting USF's very first year.  Looks like the Big East made a good play.  Now looking at UCiF's 25-30 year history, how's it stack up? 

[Brad]

Dang,

13 losing seasons since 1979 and four in the last six.  Ouch!  I never bothered to look at UCiF history, but if my source is accurate, you got a lot of nerve mentioning a rare USF losing season.

[Guest]

Well, I think if you're making a case for entry into the Big East, you might want to find a way to include the football program as a good reason....maybe in place of "Incredible academics" NOBODY's buying that one! 

:ROFLMAO

didn't USF have a losing record the season before being invited to the Big East? that throws out that argument

813, don't worry about their merits, worry about our viability.  Point is, we are the most attractive and lucrative when we look at the totality of the circumstances.  What we offer is attractive and is a trump card to any other competition. The proof is in the pooding.

1) He should at least get our merits correct.

2) You don't offer a trump card to any other competition.  And since the Big East commissioner pretty much eliminated C-USA teams it's rather moot.

3) What the hell is "pooding"?  Do you mean "pudding"?  (Yup, you clearly went to UCF).

[Guest]

Dang,

13 losing seasons since 1979 and four in the last six.  Ouch!  I never bothered to look at UCiF history, but if my source is accurate, you got a lot of nerve mentioning a rare USF losing season.

He has even more nerve getting it wrong.

[nobull.Bulls]

There is one... ONE reason that UCF would be interesting.

U.S. TV Household Estimates Designated

Market Area (DMA) — Ranked by Households

Rank     Designated Market Area (DMA)     TV Households      % of US

1   New York, NY 7,433,820   6.495

2   Los Angeles, CA 5,654,260   4.940

3   Chicago, IL 3,492,850   3.052

4   Philadelphia, PA 2,950,220   2.578

5   Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 2,489,970   2.175

6   San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 2,476,450   2.164

7   Boston, MA (Manchester, NH) 2,409,080   2.105

8   Atlanta, GA 2,369,780   2.070

9   Washington, DC (Hagerstown, MD) 2,321,610   2.028

10   Houston, TX 2,106,210   1.840

11   Detroit, MI 1,926,970   1.684

12   Phoenix, AZ 1,855,930   1.622

13   Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota), FL 1,822,160   1.592

14   Seattle-Tacoma, WA 1,819,970   1.590

15   Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 1,730,530   1.512

16   Miami-Fort Lauderdale, FL 1,546,920   1.352

17   Cleveland-Akron (Canton), OH 1,524,930   1.332

18   Denver, CO 1,524,210   1.332

19   Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, FL 1,466,420   1.281

20   Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, CA 1,399,520   1.223

21   St. Louis, MO 1,249,820   1.092

22   Portland, OR 1,175,100   1.027

23   Pittsburgh, PA 1,156,460   1.010

24   Charlotte, NC 1,122,860   0.981

25   Indianapolis, IN 1,114,970   0.974

26   Baltimore, MD 1,102,080   0.963

27   Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville), NC 1,080,680   0.944

28   San Diego, CA 1,066,680   0.932

29   Nashville, TN 1,016,290   0.888

30   Hartford and New Haven, CT 1,014,990   0.887

31   Kansas City, MO 937,970   0.819

32   Columbus, OH 925,840   0.809

33   Salt Lake City, UT 919,390   0.803

34   Cincinnati, OH 915,570   0.800

35   Milwaukee, WI 905,350   0.791

36   Greenville-Spartanburg, SC-Asheville, NC-Anderson,SC 858,050   0.750

37   San Antonio, TX 818,560   0.715

38   West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce, FL 779,430   0.681

39   Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, MI 741,420   0.648

40   Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa), AL 739,750   0.646

41   Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York, PA 738,880   0.646

42   Las Vegas, NV 728,410   0.636

43   Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News, VA 718,020   0.627

44   Albuquerque-Santa Fe, NM 689,120   0.602

45   Oklahoma City, OK 687,300   0.600

46   Greensboro-High Point-Winston Salem, NC 685,110   0.599

47   Jacksonville, FL 674,860   0.590

48   Memphis, TN 673,770   0.589

49   Austin, TX 667,670   0.583

50   Louisville, KY 667,230   0.583

Now if even a fourth of those people would watch a ucf game...