I know it's too early for 09' mock drafts, But.....

[Joe]

Getting a degree and playing 4 years are ar different things...

Barring a dreadful season, and the projections hold true this propbably will be Selvie's lst year.

[Bull Martin]

Selvie being drafted in the top 10 would be more help to the team than him staying.  Mike Jenkin's showed recruits that USF can produce first round status, but Selvie going in the top 10 would show those 5 star guys USF is for them.  There is about 15 million dollar difference between the top 5 and the 20s in the draft.

All though I think Selvie was a 2 star o-lineman (humorous).

[Bullpride08]

Stopped reading after "has NFL-level size for the defensive end spot" not to many 245lbs DE's in the NFL.   With his current size outside LB in a 3-4 scheme is where he would fit but he has never had to play in space (in coverage) at USF.  Selvie has a ton of potential but he also a lot of work to do. 

There are a few 245lbs in the NFL that are extremely effective- Jason Taylor is one, KGB at Green Bay another, and Osi Umenyiora is listed anywhere from 250-260lbs.  Hell Derek Harvey was drafted in the first round for the Jags and he only measures 6-5 252  http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickharvey/profile?id=HAR771312.   Selvie has something few DE's ever possess and that is a devastating first step, and a burst that is nearly impossible to stop.  Adding muscle and weight is easy in the NFL, getting a player to possess the explosiveness, speed, instincts, and burst that Selvie possesses at 6-5 245lbs is impossible.  If he shows up at the combine at 6-5 250lbs the NFL scouts will have no problem with it.  He also has great pursuit and quickness so he could fit in at outside backer in a 3-4 as you suggest too.  But I think Selvie will grow into an amazing 4-3 DE with his frame, it will be slow but he'll do it for his career and by his 2nd or 3rd year be playing somewhere around 265lbs.  Remember Simeon Rice was drafted 3rd in 1996 and he was 6-5 250lbs soaking wet when drafted- his weight was questioned, but the explosiveness, speed, quickness were what got him drafted that high.  By his 3rd year in the NFL Simeon was weighing around 265.

Also guys like Leonard Little, and Justin Tuck started in the NFL around 250lbs.

245lbs is good weight for a rookie but not NFL size.  NFL size is what a player has after a couple of years of being in an NFL environment.  Selvie struggled with double teams and against large athletic guys like Pedro Sosa.  Hes a great player with a bunch of upside but he does not possess NFL size (YET) as the mock suggests.  Thats all i was saying it had nothing to due with if he would have success in the league or not.  I think Selvie at around 260-265 would be a monster off the edge. 

Ok, but again Jason taylor, KGB, and Osi all play at Selvie's weight.  It is not unbelievable for a 4-3 DE to get drafted at 245-250lbs.  Say what you will but there are 245-250lbs DE playing in the NFL in 4-3 defenses and having a lot of success.

[Bullpride08]

Stopped reading after "has NFL-level size for the defensive end spot" not to many 245lbs DE's in the NFL.   With his current size outside LB in a 3-4 scheme is where he would fit but he has never had to play in space (in coverage) at USF.  Selvie has a ton of potential but he also a lot of work to do. 

There are a few 245lbs in the NFL that are extremely effective- Jason Taylor is one, KGB at Green Bay another, and Osi Umenyiora is listed anywhere from 250-260lbs.  Hell Derek Harvey was drafted in the first round for the Jags and he only measures 6-5 252  http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickharvey/profile?id=HAR771312.   Selvie has something few DE's ever possess and that is a devastating first step, and a burst that is nearly impossible to stop.  Adding muscle and weight is easy in the NFL, getting a player to possess the explosiveness, speed, instincts, and burst that Selvie possesses at 6-5 245lbs is impossible.  If he shows up at the combine at 6-5 250lbs the NFL scouts will have no problem with it.  He also has great pursuit and quickness so he could fit in at outside backer in a 3-4 as you suggest too.  But I think Selvie will grow into an amazing 4-3 DE with his frame, it will be slow but he'll do it for his career and by his 2nd or 3rd year be playing somewhere around 265lbs.  Remember Simeon Rice was drafted 3rd in 1996 and he was 6-5 250lbs soaking wet when drafted- his weight was questioned, but the explosiveness, speed, quickness were what got him drafted that high.  By his 3rd year in the NFL Simeon was weighing around 265.

Also guys like Leonard Little, and Justin Tuck started in the NFL around 250lbs.

245lbs is good weight for a rookie but not NFL size.  NFL size is what a player has after a couple of years of being in an NFL environment.  Selvie struggled with double teams and against large athletic guys like Pedro Sosa.  Hes a great player with a bunch of upside but he does not possess NFL size (YET) as the mock suggests.  Thats all i was saying it had nothing to due with if he would have success in the league or not.  I think Selvie at around 260-265 would be a monster off the edge. 

Dude, NFL draft off of potential and upside. Nobody in here can disagree that Selvie has a ton of upside.  Trust me that the NFL sees the same in him.

Exactly, Coach Robinson at Da Cuse said seeing Selvie's speed in person doesn't even do it justice on vid.  The kid is long on potential and has broken some long-standing NCAA records.  If he has another similar season I kept him to be a top 10 draft pick.  He will be plenty big enough for the NFL because the NFL will realize the success Jason Taylor has had, and how Simeon Rice was able to slowly grow from about 250lbs when drafted to 265 by his third year (p.s. I don't ever believe Simeon Rice was 265lbs, seen him in person and he was a ripped specimen but not 265lbs, that was all for show).

[Bull Dozer]

Stopped reading after "has NFL-level size for the defensive end spot" not to many 245lbs DE's in the NFL.  With his current size outside LB in a 3-4 scheme is where he would fit but he has never had to play in space (in coverage) at USF.  Selvie has a ton of potential but he also a lot of work to do. 

There are a few 245lbs in the NFL that are extremely effective- Jason Taylor is one, KGB at Green Bay another, and Osi Umenyiora is listed anywhere from 250-260lbs.  Hell Derek Harvey was drafted in the first round for the Jags and he only measures 6-5 252  http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickharvey/profile?id=HAR771312.  Selvie has something few DE's ever possess and that is a devastating first step, and a burst that is nearly impossible to stop.  Adding muscle and weight is easy in the NFL, getting a player to possess the explosiveness, speed, instincts, and burst that Selvie possesses at 6-5 245lbs is impossible.  If he shows up at the combine at 6-5 250lbs the NFL scouts will have no problem with it.  He also has great pursuit and quickness so he could fit in at outside backer in a 3-4 as you suggest too.  But I think Selvie will grow into an amazing 4-3 DE with his frame, it will be slow but he'll do it for his career and by his 2nd or 3rd year be playing somewhere around 265lbs.  Remember Simeon Rice was drafted 3rd in 1996 and he was 6-5 250lbs soaking wet when drafted- his weight was questioned, but the explosiveness, speed, quickness were what got him drafted that high.  By his 3rd year in the NFL Simeon was weighing around 265.

Also guys like Leonard Little, and Justin Tuck started in the NFL around 250lbs.

245lbs is good weight for a rookie but not NFL size.  NFL size is what a player has after a couple of years of being in an NFL environment.  Selvie struggled with double teams and against large athletic guys like Pedro Sosa.  Hes a great player with a bunch of upside but he does not possess NFL size (YET) as the mock suggests.  Thats all i was saying it had nothing to due with if he would have success in the league or not.  I think Selvie at around 260-265 would be a monster off the edge. 

Ok, but again Jason taylor, KGB, and Osi all play at Selvie's weight.  It is not unbelievable for a 4-3 DE to get drafted at 245-250lbs.  Say what you will but there are 245-250lbs DE playing in the NFL in 4-3 defenses and having a lot of success.

yes there are superstars that are exceptions to the rule but that still doesn't change the fact that your average defensive end in the pros is not in the 245-250lb range.  When someone says NFL size they aren't talking about the exceptions they're talking about what an average size end is and its  definitely not 245-250lbs.

[Bullpride08]

I agree with what you're saying Bull Dozer, but you're missing one key point.  The fact the NFL scouts are rumoring him to be a top 10 pick at some point means he is a superstar in the making.  He's not your every day run-of-the-mill DE's, that he might truly have a gift and capable of playing at wherever he's comfortable playing at.

On an average, a guy like say Buie will need to be around 265lbs at a minimum to make any possible NFL splash, but there are exceptions and Selvie from first and second blush appears to be one of those exceptions.  He might get in the NFL and realize that he can be effective doing what he's doing at 250lbs, but could do it a lot longer at 265-270lbs, but for the time being him weighing 250lbs for the draft will not shy away NFL teams.

And I do agree with your previous point from, an average DE standpoint, that it was a bit silly for people to say he has the 'prototypical size' to be an effective DE.  But I think that's more from a frame standpoint, at say 6-5 you're talking about a rare individual and adding 10-15lbs on a frame like that probably isn't a problem, but that website's comment was a bit silly and shouldn't have been stated that way.

[Jihme]

if he can get through the double-teams he's going to get all season, then he could be a top 15 pick guaranteed.