Lost in all this . . .

[Dave_Glaser]

Lost in all this is the fact that with a backup QB playing the past 10 quarters, if you add in the missed FGs the past two weeks, we’re scoring 30+ points a game. I didn’t expect to see that when Marsh took over. That’s enough to win games for most teams if your defense isn’t historically inept. Who knows how many points we may have put up if the defense could have gotten off the field at all and given the offense some more possessions? Is it unrealistic to think that a coach who could get anything out of that defense could turn things around pretty quickly, or am I just dreaming?

[Skingraft]

Honestly.... Our HC could save see face by firing the DC on Monday 

[12inchtaint!]

7 minutes ago, Dave_Glaser said:

Lost in all this is the fact that with a backup QB playing the past 10 quarters, if you add in the missed FGs the past two weeks, we’re scoring 30+ points a game. I didn’t expect to see that when Marsh took over. That’s enough to win games for most teams if your defense isn’t historically inept. Who knows how many points we may have put up if the defense could have gotten off the field at all and given the offense some more possessions? Is it unrealistic to think that a coach who could get anything out of that defense could turn things around pretty quickly, or am I just dreaming?

Ive been saying this all along. Those scores were when the game was still competitive. Injury excuse didnt apply when you have a competent offensive staff. 
Scott massively struck out on his DC hires. He should have went young, modern, and hungry. Instead he got a retread with a questionable past.  Not sure if his dad was still advising him on the hire, but it cost him his job.  All of the success shoop had was at high level p5 teams and it was all short lived. With all his talk of character, overlooking the red flags of his DC’s short lived previous positions was huge.  I also think Scotts nice guy personality hurt his ability to get shoop in line and performing.

Defense can be fixed in a year- look at what allen did here. There is no excuse for taking over the dc spot and doing worse than last year with the same players and transfer additions. 
hopefully whomever comes in can keep the offense core together- battie, weaver, bohannon, brown, horn, and most of the OL.  If so the pieces may be in place for a quicker turnaround with some stronger leadership. 

[OcalaBull2]

1 hour ago, Skingraft said:

Honestly.... Our HC could save see face by firing the DC on Monday 

That’s not enough in my opinion. At this point Scott has a total of 4 wins in his career at USF, and last season had to fire his DC before the season was over. If he does that again, it further proves that he’s in over his head. If you keep putting people in place that can’t do their jobs, then that shows a big lack of awareness. 

[Skingraft]

1 minute ago, OcalaBull2 said:

That’s not enough in my opinion. At this point Scott has a total of 4 wins in his career at USF, and last season had to fire his DC before the season was over. If he does that again, it further proves that he’s in over his head. If you keep putting people in place that can’t do their jobs, then that shows a big lack of awareness. 

Good point

[12inchtaint!]

28 minutes ago, OcalaBull2 said:

That’s not enough in my opinion. At this point Scott has a total of 4 wins in his career at USF, and last season had to fire his DC before the season was over. If he does that again, it further proves that he’s in over his head. If you keep putting people in place that can’t do their jobs, then that shows a big lack of awareness. 

Overall it seems like he is in way over his head- The offense is ok, but if you look closer there are so many points they leave on the table.  Look at a coach like Taggart back when he was successful here, or Lane Kiffin all of the time.  If they find a play/player that can run a play, the run that thing until the other team breaks. Think Rodney Adams and the Jet sweep. Taggart would run the Jet sweep and bubble screen action into the ground.  He would score 30+ in a game on these plays.  Then when the other team started to adjust he would stretch it out to MVS or McCants.  Lane does the same thing- if he has a player who can beat the other team, he runs that play/player until they stop him or the other team breaks- Sure sometimes other teams can stop them and there are losses, but for the most part, hammering your best guys over and over against a team will work. Its like a video game.  And when it works, other kids see it and want to come to USF and be the next guy to be featured.  

We saw Horn run a jet sweep yesterday twice, once it was stopped, once he almost broke it and got 14 yards, then crickets.  How does an offense have the fastest guy on the field and only use him 3-4 times a game, then use him as a decoy the rest of the time? Especially when you have a backup QB who is not accurate.  A head coach should be able to identify this and have guys exploit the other team- This is why we see a RB with 250+ yards, and QB's having career days- they see the offense is weak and let their best player feast over and over every possession. 

[Bull94]

42 minutes ago, 12inchtaint! said:

Overall it seems like he is in way over his head- The offense is ok, but if you look closer there are so many points they leave on the table.  Look at a coach like Taggart back when he was successful here, or Lane Kiffin all of the time.  If they find a play/player that can run a play, the run that thing until the other team breaks. Think Rodney Adams and the Jet sweep. Taggart would run the Jet sweep and bubble screen action into the ground.  He would score 30+ in a game on these plays.  Then when the other team started to adjust he would stretch it out to MVS or McCants.  Lane does the same thing- if he has a player who can beat the other team, he runs that play/player until they stop him or the other team breaks- Sure sometimes other teams can stop them and there are losses, but for the most part, hammering your best guys over and over against a team will work. Its like a video game.  And when it works, other kids see it and want to come to USF and be the next guy to be featured.  

We saw Horn run a jet sweep yesterday twice, once it was stopped, once he almost broke it and got 14 yards, then crickets.  How does an offense have the fastest guy on the field and only use him 3-4 times a game, then use him as a decoy the rest of the time? Especially when you have a backup QB who is not accurate.  A head coach should be able to identify this and have guys exploit the other team- This is why we see a RB with 250+ yards, and QB's having career days- they see the offense is weak and let their best player feast over and over every possession. 

didn't horn have a 50+ yard TD run ?

I think we need to move on from Scott. Don't like his mindset. Too conservative. He brought out the injury excuse early which sets the tone for the rest of the year. Gave the players and coaches a reason for why we would fail and touted it in the press.

[12inchtaint!]

3 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

didn't horn have a 50+ yard TD run ?

I think we need to move on from Scott. Don't like his mindset. Too conservative. He brought out the injury excuse early which sets the tone for the rest of the year. Gave the players and coaches a reason for why we would fail and touted it in the press.

Even better. He had 2 rushes, 50yd td. 
then nothing.  Horn should get 10targets/touches min a game. Especially with Marsh as qb. 

[CycleBull]

2 hours ago, 12inchtaint! said:

Ive been saying this all along. Those scores were when the game was still competitive. Injury excuse didnt apply when you have a competent offensive staff. 
Scott massively struck out on his DC hires. He should have went young, modern, and hungry. Instead he got a retread with a questionable past.  Not sure if his dad was still advising him on the hire, but it cost him his job.  All of the success shoop had was at high level p5 teams and it was all short lived. With all his talk of character, overlooking the red flags of his DC’s short lived previous positions was huge.  I also think Scotts nice guy personality hurt his ability to get shoop in line and performing.

Defense can be fixed in a year- look at what allen did here. There is no excuse for taking over the dc spot and doing worse than last year with the same players and transfer additions. 
hopefully whomever comes in can keep the offense core together- battie, weaver, bohannon, brown, horn, and most of the OL.  If so the pieces may be in place for a quicker turnaround with some stronger leadership. 

The improved O Line is one of the most experienced in the country. What that typically means is people will be leaving the team. We won’t have the same offensive front as this year. Can Scott develop and garner solid O line talent for the upcoming year? We will have much work to do if I’m not mistaken. 

[Bull94]

4 minutes ago, 12inchtaint! said:

Even better. He had 2 rushes, 50yd td. 
then nothing.  Horn should get 10targets/touches min a game. Especially with Marsh as qb. 

don't think offense has been the problem. Battie, Weaver, etc. not exactly chopped liver.

The defense is killing us. To not get a single stop against Temple is embarrassing. To give up 600+ yards against them is a joke.

it's time to move on. Scott might be a good offensive co-ordinator but he isn't cut out to be a head coach just yet.