Conference realignment "Rumors" "tweets" "etc"

[Joe]

Winning has been a small element in expansion

For the majority of the conferences I would say I would agree. However, the B12 is different. At best they have only 1 team nationally worth a crap and that is OK. Their other big power is Texas and they are mediocre at best (exception to this past week's win).

For the B12 it is about big name recognition, large national exposures, and wins (in particular for the pending playoff system and trying to flood the playoff system with their own teams). Also add in how much control Texas has over the B12 and how much control Texas would lose. (see the FSU, UM, CU debacle from the ACC).

Presently, the only teams that have this are BYU and Cincy. Let's face reality here. But with BYU, they have issues of playing other sports outside of football on Sunday when the B12 would require it and neither party is bending.

It's about brands and marketing of brands. Advertising and $$$$$. And with the options available to the B12 in regards of programs that could be brought in. Both USF and UCF are kinda screwed. I would say UCF has the edge at this point due to beating Penn State on national TV, almost beating USC on nationwide network TV, and playing #8 Louisville this Friday night on ESPN (again more national TV). This is why their popularity is growing. So winning means more than some think. Especially when it involves advertising, marketing, and $$$$$$$$.

At present, the only thing any of the programs on the bubble can do is win. Nothing is going to happen until the playoff criteria is decided anyways.

Texas won't be down forever...

[Rizman]

 

 

Winning has been a small element in expansion

For the majority of the conferences I would say I would agree. However, the B12 is different. At best they have only 1 team nationally worth a crap and that is OK. Their other big power is Texas and they are mediocre at best (exception to this past week's win).

For the B12 it is about big name recognition, large national exposures, and wins (in particular for the pending playoff system and trying to flood the playoff system with their own teams). Also add in how much control Texas has over the B12 and how much control Texas would lose. (see the FSU, UM, CU debacle from the ACC).

Presently, the only teams that have this are BYU and Cincy. Let's face reality here. But with BYU, they have issues of playing other sports outside of football on Sunday when the B12 would require it and neither party is bending.

It's about brands and marketing of brands. Advertising and $$$$$. And with the options available to the B12 in regards of programs that could be brought in. Both USF and UCF are kinda screwed. I would say UCF has the edge at this point due to beating Penn State on national TV, almost beating USC on nationwide network TV, and playing #8 Louisville this Friday night on ESPN (again more national TV). This is why their popularity is growing. So winning means more than some think. Especially when it involves advertising, marketing, and $$$$$$$$.

At present, the only thing any of the programs on the bubble can do is win. Nothing is going to happen until the playoff criteria is decided anyways.

Texas won't be down forever...

 

One season makes UCF relevant, wow that is just stupid business decision and shortsighted. 

[usfbullrider]

Their stadium looks better on tv compared to ours. Maybe its the lack of apathy.

[Kahoki]

One season makes UCF relevant, wow that is just stupid business decision and shortsighted. 

 

 

 

This maybe true.  However, it is all about popularity, advertising, and money.  And when comparing recent popularity between the two without fan bias, popularity sways into the field of UCF due to national TV games and the outcomes of those games.  And media will reflect this.  One just has to take a step back and see it.  Like it or not, it is what it is.

 

As I stated prior though.  A program has to win to get the spotlight put on them.

 

Overall potential for both schools is up there.  Growth potential, athletic potential, academic potential.

People tend to forget in 2007 the spotlight was put onto USF (prior to their conference collapse).  Even Mark May on ESPN was making a case how USF should have been #1 and not Ohio State due to strength of schedule and quality wins.

 

Win and the spotlight returns and media coverage returns.  (examples:  Boise State BCS buster, Hawaii with Colt Brennen, 2007 USF, Utah's undefeated season with Meyer as HC, etc...)

 

[Kahoki]

 

Texas won't be down forever...

 

 

Not with their resources.  Once they get a decent AD and Mack is gone, I would put 2 years after those changes and TX will be back.

Presently though, they are not really TX.  Yeah they beat up OK this past weekend, but, should have lost to Iowa State.

 

[hightechbull]

 

Texas won't be down forever...

 

 

Not with their resources.  Once they get a decent AD and Mack is gone, I would put 2 years after those changes and TX will be back.

Presently though, they are not really TX.  Yeah they beat up OK this past weekend, but, should have lost to Iowa State.

 

 

No kidding.  Texas has their (sch)Longhorn Network, and that almost broke up the B-12 because of the revenue injustice.  However, the Big East administration was so incompetent that they could not lure schools from the B-12 to the BE.  That gave the B-12 enough time to patch up a short term fix.  However, that revenue fix with the (sch)Longhorn Network will not last forever, and the B-12 will be back to fighting each other again.  That will force the next round of conference re-alignment.

[CPR]

 

One season makes UCF relevant, wow that is just stupid business decision and shortsighted. 

 

 

 

This maybe true.  However, it is all about popularity, advertising, and money.  And when comparing recent popularity between the two without fan bias, popularity sways into the field of UCF due to national TV games and the outcomes of those games.  And media will reflect this.  One just has to take a step back and see it.  Like it or not, it is what it is.

 

As I stated prior though.  A program has to win to get the spotlight put on them.

 

Overall potential for both schools is up there.  Growth potential, athletic potential, academic potential.

People tend to forget in 2007 the spotlight was put onto USF (prior to their conference collapse).  Even Mark May on ESPN was making a case how USF should have been #1 and not Ohio State due to strength of schedule and quality wins.

 

Win and the spotlight returns and media coverage returns.  (examples:  Boise State BCS buster, Hawaii with Colt Brennen, 2007 USF, Utah's undefeated season with Meyer as HC, etc...)

 

 

Yes, we live in a "what have you done" lately society. Considering we're now in the same conference and we are essentially the same school in terms of everything (minus OCS), they have jumped us. CWT needs to fix this mess fast if that's even possible.

[Joe]

Texas won't be down forever...

Not with their resources. Once they get a decent AD and Mack is gone, I would put 2 years after those changes and TX will be back.

Presently though, they are not really TX. Yeah they beat up OK this past weekend, but, should have lost to Iowa State.

No kidding. Texas has their (sch)Longhorn Network, and that almost broke up the B-12 because of the revenue injustice. However, the Big East administration was so incompetent that they could not lure schools from the B-12 to the BE. That gave the B-12 enough time to patch up a short term fix. However, that revenue fix with the (sch)Longhorn Network will not last forever, and the B-12 will be back to fighting each other again. That will force the next round of conference re-alignment.

Big East incompetence? No. It was Fox and ESPN offering $20+ mil per school that kept it from falling apart.

[TrujilloBull2013]

 

New article discussing UCF and Big12 via Oliver Luck

http://www.bluegoldsports.com/power-struggle-oliver-luck

 

This is my worst nightmare. UCF goes (maybe with Cincinnati) and we are left behind. Not saying it will happen, but up until about 2 years ago it wasn't believable, now it is a very realistic possibility.

 

 

i don't buy it. the article is highly speculative with no real factual basis for any of the speculation.

 

it's basically "Oliver Luck wants access to Florida market to increase profit. Oliver Luck could become Texas AD. Texas runs the Big 12, so if Oliver Luck becomes Texas AD he would use his influence to convince the Big12 to expand into the Florida market."

 

UCF is an afterthought, included in all probability exclusively because it is currently the non-Big 3 Florida team with the most exposure and on-field success. if this article was written 3 years ago USF would have been included for exactly the same reason. basically a "look at the current ratings/rankings and throw in the name of the school with the most current clout."

 

realistically it's not that simple, and if/when Big12 AD's/presidents sit down to decide on expansion one season, much less the current season, isn't going to make or break that school.

 

i'm not going to go into some long-winded spiel about why USF is/isnt a better candidate for the Big 12 conference, but any expansion committee or particular AD (eg Oliver Luck) pushing for new programs to add are going to do their due diligence and look at all options available. hard to believe Oliver Luck, as great of a business man as he is portrayed in this article, has called UCF to gauge interest in expansion but NOT USF.

[bullsbucsfan426]

How vital is it that we find a way to beat UCF this season? 

 

Seriously, if you think that the athletic department at UCF wouldn't hesitate to leave us in the dust if they had the chance they wouldn't? We lorded the BCS affiliation over them for years, even as we beat them on the field. They know the only reason they're in the AAC now is because the state of Florida and ESPN twisted our arm badly (as well as some decent winning). They want their opportunity to show that they've passed us. There's absolutely no doubt they will be happy to lord a P5 affiliation over us if the chance is there. 

 

Rivalry? Only way we can show it now is that even at our worst we are capable of beating UCF when they are at their best. Period. Willie Taggart might be able to make this team overachieve, but that weekend in November could possibly be the most important game in program history-without  a win we are doomed.