Athletics Directors' Salaries

[ForestBull]

What gives us, the USF students / alums / fans, the right or even the thought to expect anything better than average results in conference play over the long run?

The sum of all conference play is average, so for every conference member above average there must exist a conference member below average.. If all conference members demanded above-average results in conference play across all sports, by definition there could be no conference.

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we are better than our conference mates? Is it our history of success? Our rich and generous alumni donors? Our long record of sellout ticket sales? The huge group of advertisers beating down our doors to sell advertising at our sporting events? What?

Who is okay with mediocrity? What company strives to be mediocre?

[gobulls83]

That's not the point. It's of course fine to want your team to get better, to be competitive, to win titles. But the fact is, USF has NEVER been that team. One conference tournament title in basketball, no conference titles in football, where does the sense of entitlement come from? It takes time. Woolard has had time, so it's time for him to go, but to expect his successor to come in and turn things around immediately, or even with in a couple of years, would be incredibly stupid.

 

Even the bad hire of Skip Holtz can be forgiven (though not the contract extension), because USF hardly has the pedigree to choose from elite, can't-miss coaches. Even the Floridas, Alabamas, and Notre Dames of college football make bad hires.

Edited January 6, 2014 by gobulls83

[slick1ru2]

So over half his salary comes from donations? Because isn't the cap on state employee salaries $200k in Fl?

[USF_Grouper]

What gives us, the USF students / alums / fans, the right or even the thought to expect anything better than average results in conference play over the long run?

 

The sum of all conference play is average, so for every conference member above average there must exist a conference member below average.. If all conference members demanded above-average results in conference play across all sports, by definition there could be no conference.

 

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we are better than our conference mates? Is it our history of success? Our rich and generous alumni donors? Our long record of sellout ticket sales? The huge group of advertisers beating down our doors to sell advertising at our sporting events? What?

 

Because we have expended considerably more capital than most our conference mates on sports.  Every University decides where to allocate its resources and based on our spending, we have prioritized sports greater than certainly most of our new conference mates and really more than most of our Big East mates.

Additionally I think sports is regional.  Football is huge in the south, basketball not so much, and baseball/soccer/golf not at all.  So one would expect we are more football focused than many of our conference mates.  In general though, as this thread is about AD salaries, if we are receiving average (or below average) results then our compensation and expenditures need to be in-line with those results!

[gobulls83]

 

What gives us, the USF students / alums / fans, the right or even the thought to expect anything better than average results in conference play over the long run?

 

The sum of all conference play is average, so for every conference member above average there must exist a conference member below average.. If all conference members demanded above-average results in conference play across all sports, by definition there could be no conference.

 

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we are better than our conference mates? Is it our history of success? Our rich and generous alumni donors? Our long record of sellout ticket sales? The huge group of advertisers beating down our doors to sell advertising at our sporting events? What?

 

Because we have expended considerably more capital than most our conference mates on sports.  Every University decides where to allocate its resources and based on our spending, we have prioritized sports greater than certainly most of our new conference mates and really more than most of our Big East mates.

Additionally I think sports is regional.  Football is huge in the south, basketball not so much, and baseball/soccer/golf not at all.  So one would expect we are more football focused than many of our conference mates.  In general though, as this thread is about AD salaries, if we are receiving average (or below average) results then our compensation and expenditures need to be in-line with those results!

 

 

USF spent more than most if its Big East mates on athletics? That's not even close to true.

 

Here are the figures for the 2010-11 season (the first one that came up in a Google search): http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=562319

 

Louisville more than double the spending. Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Pitt and UConn all well ahead of USF. Several of the non-FBS schools (the Big East basketball-only schools) almost outspent USF.

Edited January 6, 2014 by gobulls83

[smazza]

you are right

 

that person should be fired also

[USF_Grouper]

 

 

What gives us, the USF students / alums / fans, the right or even the thought to expect anything better than average results in conference play over the long run?

 

The sum of all conference play is average, so for every conference member above average there must exist a conference member below average.. If all conference members demanded above-average results in conference play across all sports, by definition there could be no conference.

 

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we are better than our conference mates? Is it our history of success? Our rich and generous alumni donors? Our long record of sellout ticket sales? The huge group of advertisers beating down our doors to sell advertising at our sporting events? What?

 

Because we have expended considerably more capital than most our conference mates on sports.  Every University decides where to allocate its resources and based on our spending, we have prioritized sports greater than certainly most of our new conference mates and really more than most of our Big East mates.

Additionally I think sports is regional.  Football is huge in the south, basketball not so much, and baseball/soccer/golf not at all.  So one would expect we are more football focused than many of our conference mates.  In general though, as this thread is about AD salaries, if we are receiving average (or below average) results then our compensation and expenditures need to be in-line with those results!

 

 

USF spent more than most if its Big East mates on athletics? That's not even close to true.

 

Here are the figures for the 2010-11 season (the first one that came up in a Google search): http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=562319

 

Louisville more than double the spending. Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Pitt and UConn all well ahead of USF. Several of the non-FBS schools (the Big East basketball-only schools) almost outspent USF.

 

 

You are right.  I meant to say we are spending more on our Athletic Director -- cause that is the most ineffective employee in the history of USF -- but certainly overall athletic spending is more a measure of our commitment to athletics.

[charsibb]

 

What gives us, the USF students / alums / fans, the right or even the thought to expect anything better than average results in conference play over the long run?

The sum of all conference play is average, so for every conference member above average there must exist a conference member below average.. If all conference members demanded above-average results in conference play across all sports, by definition there could be no conference.

Why should we be so arrogant as to think we are better than our conference mates? Is it our history of success? Our rich and generous alumni donors? Our long record of sellout ticket sales? The huge group of advertisers beating down our doors to sell advertising at our sporting events? What?

Who is okay with mediocrity? What company strives to be mediocre?

 

 

 

We're not talking about companies. We're talking about USF vis-a-vis our conference mates.

 

It is what it is. We have no history that tells us we can expect any more than average.

 

To get more than average results, we must make more than average effort.

 

Donors, are you listening????

[ForestBull]

That's not the point. It's of course fine to want your team to get better, to be competitive, to win titles. But the fact is, USF has NEVER been that team. One conference tournament title in basketball, no conference titles in football, where does the sense of entitlement come from? It takes time. Woolard has had time, so it's time for him to go, but to expect his successor to come in and turn things around immediately, or even with in a couple of years, would be incredibly stupid.

Even the bad hire of Skip Holtz can be forgiven (though not the contract extension), because USF hardly has the pedigree to choose from elite, can't-miss coaches. Even the Floridas, Alabamas, and Notre Dames of college football make bad hires.

That's not the point. We have been going the wrong way. At least stay stagnant.

[gobulls83]

No team stays stagnant. You're either getting better or you're getting worse. What team goes 6-6 every single year?

 

Every team gets worse sometimes, and gets better sometimes. No team stays on an upward trajectory 100 percent of the time, it is totally unrealistic to expect that.

 

(Sorry, got confused about which thread this was and included a bunch of irrelevant stuff.)

Edited January 6, 2014 by gobulls83