Gotta Love Louisville

[Brad]

Louisville's two title appearances?

They won in 80 and 86. Yesterday makes three championships. In the same time frame Duke has four.

[usfgrad84]

Most of the ACC wouldn't be impressed with UL's on the field and on the court resume.....lol. You're joking right?

Louisville has done basically nothing in football. A few really good seasons here and there, but for most of their football existence they've been an afterthought in crappy conferences. Most of the league's teams blow Louisville out of the water in terms of football success, and those that don't - specifically, Duke - aren't likely to be impressed by Louisville's three all-time national championship appearances in basketball.

WTF? You do realize that between Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State and Virginia - the heart and soul of the ACC - they collectively have won two BCS-level bowls in their entire histories, and none since 1950? Louisville has won THREE since 1990!

As for Duke, while they would surely consider themselves above Louisville in the basketball hierarchy, they also surely must have a healthy respect for any program with 10 Final Fours and 3 national titles. That places UofL third, behind only UNC and Duke, among ACC teams. Heck, just three years ago Duke also had 3 national titles.

Good Lord.

First of all, North Carolina still has a better football history than Louisville, AND a much richer basketball history.

Re: Wake, et al, I didn't say every single team in the ACC.

Duke has four national titles ... and six other national title game appearances. North Carolina has also reached the title game 10 times, winning five of them. Louisville cannot compare to Duke (or North Carolina) by any definition whatsoever. In terms of athletics success and prestige, Louisville is firmly in the lower third or so among ACC schools. Nothing you said suggests otherwise.

"Good lord." - ooh, I said it too!

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[redbird2001]

Go Bulls 83.  Sorry bro if you think UL is going to be a third tier ACC team.  Just seems like you're a hater.  Can't really take what you say serious.

[swamprat]

While I agree that basketball had nothing to do with Louisville getting into the ACC, to discount them as incomparable to Duke is ridiculous. I've seen UofL ranked no lower than 11 and as high as 7 on several All Time Program lists, with Duke has low as 7 and as high as 4 on the same. And that was before this season. The school they are replacing barely maintains itself in the top 50. ACC basketball definitely gets dramatically better 2014.

To say Louisville cannot compare to Duke is like saying Duke cannot not compare to Kentucky.

Wait!!! You might have something, there.

Edited April 10, 2013 by swamprat

[Hem]

The Ville will do excellent in the ACC, they were forever looked over because of their conference affiliation, just like we will be.

 

They blew out and shamed UF when everyone thought they had no shot (because a BE football team can't be good, especially when compared to the S E C) and a B1G Michigan basketball program MUST be better than the new (post 2005) BE team.

 

Screw the media.

 

Congrats Louisville...maybe NOW you will get some actual respect. Hope we can join you in a few years.

[redbird2001]

Just saying Louisville has 40 NCAA tourney wins, 10 Final Fours, 3 titles.  To compare Indiana has 3 titles and only 8 Final Fours. UL is a top 10 and most lists I have seen have them at 6 or 7 program of all time.  Granted Duke and Carolina are top 5 for sure.  UL football joined a BCS league in 2005 and has 2 BCS and 3 reg season championships wins since then.  The ACC has been a BCS league since 1998 and only has 2 BCS wins all time. UL has 2 BCS bowl wins, 3 mens final fours, 1 NCAA title in bball, 2 womens Final Four teams, a College World Series apperance since 2005. Along with 50 Big East Championships. So for Go Bulls 83 to act like UL is going to come into the ACC and be a mid level Wake Forest type team in the ACC just seems false.

[Quo Vadis]

Just saying Louisville has 40 NCAA tourney wins, 10 Final Fours, 3 titles.  To compare Indiana has 3 titles and only 8 Final Fours. UL is a top 10 and most lists I have seen have them at 6 or 7 program of all time.  Granted Duke and Carolina are top 5 for sure. 

Just FYI, Indiana has 5 national titles, which is why they are ahead of Louisville on those "all-time best" lists.

[Quo Vadis]

 

 

Most of the ACC wouldn't be impressed with UL's on the field and on the court resume.....lol.  You're joking right?

 

 

Louisville has done basically nothing in football. A few really good seasons here and there, but for most of their football existence they've been an afterthought in crappy conferences. Most of the league's teams blow Louisville out of the water in terms of football success, and those that don't - specifically, Duke - aren't likely to be impressed by Louisville's three all-time national championship appearances in basketball.

 

WTF? You do realize that between Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, NC State and Virginia - the heart and soul of the ACC - they collectively have won two BCS-level bowls in their entire histories, and none since 1950? Louisville has won THREE since 1990!

 

As for Duke, while they would surely consider themselves above Louisville in the basketball hierarchy, they also surely must have a healthy respect for any program with 10 Final Fours and 3 national titles. That places UofL third, behind only UNC and Duke, among ACC teams. Heck, just three years ago Duke also had 3 national titles.

Good Lord.

 

First of all, North Carolina still has a better football history than Louisville, AND a much richer basketball history.

 

Re: Wake, et al, I didn't say every single team in the ACC.

 

Duke has four national titles ... and six other national title game appearances. North Carolina has also reached the title game 10 times, winning five of them. Louisville cannot compare to Duke (or North Carolina) by any definition whatsoever. In terms of athletics success and prestige, Louisville is firmly in the lower third or so among ACC schools. Nothing you said suggests otherwise.

 

"Good lord." - ooh, I said it too!

Hey man ... Sorry about the "wtf" and "good lord", they were not necessary to my point.

 

Back to the points: You seem to put a big premium on title game appearances. Not sure why, when most everyone measures elite basketball accomplishments by two things - Final 4s and national titles.

 

UNC has 18/5

Duke has 15/4

 

Louisville has 10/3. Is that equal to what Duke and Carolina have? No. But as the about the 7th most accomplished program of all time, compared to UNC at #3 and Duke at #5, surely Louisville has a rich tradition worthy of everyone's respect.

 

As for football, one can certainly argue UNC has a better football legacy than UofL, though it would have to be based on volume (several wins in Gator Bowls) not high quality. In any event, UNC's football history certainly doesn't blow UofL's out of the water.

 

I don't think anyone can argue against the notion that adding Louisville raised the ACC's average legacy rating in both football and basketball.

Edited April 10, 2013 by BatonRougeBull87

[Reliable Source]

The only thing UL seems to be missing is a website where they can talk about all of their accomplishments.