when you consider the size and location of usf

[gainesvillebull]

Interesting

USF: 1,913 acres,Endowment US$411 million,Motto:Truth and Wisdom

UF: 2,000 acres Endowment US $1.295 billion,Motto:The welfare of the state depends upon the morals of its citizens.

ucf: 1,526 acres, Endowment  $137 million,Motto:Reach for the Stars[

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida

Edited February 26, 2013 by gainesvillebull

[Brad]

It is because of our age as a University, and because we dragged our feet on getting football for so long. Had we added football back in the 1980's or 1970's then we would likely be in the Big 5 by now.

I think we get shat on by the older Universities because of both of these items.

Yeah, just like that school in Orlando that started out in the late 1970s and yet fell behind 1997-born USF in the college football totem poll.

(That means you are wrong.)

orlando school caught usf now that we are in the same conference

That gives you the "rivalry" game you have fawned over in recent years

:doesntaddup:

[Bullshutter]

Interesting

USF: 1,913 acres,Endowment US$411 million,Motto:Truth and Wisdom

UF: 2,000 acres Endowment US $1.295 billion,Motto:The welfare of the state depends upon the morals of its citizens.

ucf: 1,526 acres, Endowment  $137 million,Motto:Reach for the Stars[

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_South_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Central_Florida

 

 

USF's main campus (the block between Fowler & Fletcher, BBD & 50th) is roughly 900 acres.  USF also owns that undeveloped "EcoArea" north of Fletcher (area between golf course and Hillsborough River) which is roughly 770 acres.

[Quo Vadis]

 

 

 

 

 

UCLA too? In the end it doesn't matter if your the Univeristy of Southern Western East Rhode Island, you win some BCS or big bowl games yearly...everyone knows your name.

ok, UCLA is directional. i stand corrected. 

LA isn't a direction .... USC is the only deal buster.

 

By that definition, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Fresno State, UTSA, and SDSU are not directional schools. not many folks would agree with you there...

 

A city isn't a direction and those you mentioned aren't directional. I guess you would call them locational ... Bottom line in all this is that there is a directional school in a Power 5 conference, no matter what the definition.

 

Anyone OTHER than a fellow grammar nazi would consider all of those "directional" and would NOT consider USC in that category.

.

It's not about grammar, it's about image.

 

Wait for it...

 

 

Perception IS reality!!

 

 

 

Now I got it .... Basically, there are no "directional" schools in the Power 5 because, it appears, the definition of a "directional" school does not include BCS/Power 5 ...

No. Let me explain. A "directional" school is not necessarily a school with a direction like north or east in its name. It is directional if it has these characteristics:

 

1) Is a public institution

2) Is part of a system in which there is a flagship institution and the school in question is not the flagship.

3) it has a direction in its name that is NOT a part of the name of the state.

 

Thus, USC is not a directional university because it is not a public institution.

North Carolina is not a directional university because "north" is part of the name of the state.

UCLA is not a directional university because by the formal UC system designation, it is recognized as a flagship along with UC-Berkley.

 

However, schools like UCF, USF, and ECU are directional, because they meet all three criteria. Those three criteria collectively have a stigma attached to them because they imply subordination to another school in the system, e.g., USF to UF, ECU to UNC, etc.

 

Schools with the word "tech" or "state" also face a lesser stigma, since they too are subordinate to the flagship, unless they also are the flagship in their system, such as Penn State, Ohio State, and LSU.

Edited February 26, 2013 by BatonRougeBull87

[MaltLiquorBull]

 

 

 

 

 

 

UCLA too? In the end it doesn't matter if your the Univeristy of Southern Western East Rhode Island, you win some BCS or big bowl games yearly...everyone knows your name.

ok, UCLA is directional. i stand corrected. 

LA isn't a direction .... USC is the only deal buster.

 

By that definition, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Fresno State, UTSA, and SDSU are not directional schools. not many folks would agree with you there...

 

A city isn't a direction and those you mentioned aren't directional. I guess you would call them locational ... Bottom line in all this is that there is a directional school in a Power 5 conference, no matter what the definition.

 

Anyone OTHER than a fellow grammar nazi would consider all of those "directional" and would NOT consider USC in that category.

.

It's not about grammar, it's about image.

 

Wait for it...

 

 

Perception IS reality!!

 

 

 

Now I got it .... Basically, there are no "directional" schools in the Power 5 because, it appears, the definition of a "directional" school does not include BCS/Power 5 ...

No. Let me explain. A "directional" school is not necessarily a school with a direction like north or east in its name. It is directional if it has these characteristics:

 

1) Is a public institution

2) Is part of a system in which there is a flagship institution and the school in question is not the flagship.

3) it has a direction in its name that is NOT a part of the name of the state.

 

Thus, USC is not a directional university because it is not a public institution.

North Carolina is not a directional university because "north" is part of the name of the state.

UCLA is not a directional university because by the formal UC system designation, it is recognized as a flagship along with UC-Berkley.

 

However, schools like UCF, USF, and ECU are directional, because they meet all three criteria. Those three criteria collectively have a stigma attached to them because they imply subordination to another school in the system, e.g., USF to UF, ECU to UNC, etc.

 

Schools with the word "tech" or "state" also face a lesser stigma, since they too are subordinate to the flagship, unless they also are the flagship in their system, such as Penn State, Ohio State, and LSU.

 

This.  This is the definition I use.  Also, schools named after cities (University of Pittsburgh, University of Cincinatti) don't count as "directional" either.  Although you could say that there is also a bit of a stigma attached to those city-named universities, too.  Makes them sound more commuter-ish. 

 

Either way, based on whatever definition you use, UConn is the next in line for the big boy table because they are the flagship school of their state.

[JTrue]

Isn't Princeton a city named school?

[Quo Vadis]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UCLA too? In the end it doesn't matter if your the Univeristy of Southern Western East Rhode Island, you win some BCS or big bowl games yearly...everyone knows your name.

ok, UCLA is directional. i stand corrected. 

LA isn't a direction .... USC is the only deal buster.

 

By that definition, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Fresno State, UTSA, and SDSU are not directional schools. not many folks would agree with you there...

 

A city isn't a direction and those you mentioned aren't directional. I guess you would call them locational ... Bottom line in all this is that there is a directional school in a Power 5 conference, no matter what the definition.

 

Anyone OTHER than a fellow grammar nazi would consider all of those "directional" and would NOT consider USC in that category.

.

It's not about grammar, it's about image.

 

Wait for it...

 

 

Perception IS reality!!

 

 

 

Now I got it .... Basically, there are no "directional" schools in the Power 5 because, it appears, the definition of a "directional" school does not include BCS/Power 5 ...

No. Let me explain. A "directional" school is not necessarily a school with a direction like north or east in its name. It is directional if it has these characteristics:

 

1) Is a public institution

2) Is part of a system in which there is a flagship institution and the school in question is not the flagship.

3) it has a direction in its name that is NOT a part of the name of the state.

 

Thus, USC is not a directional university because it is not a public institution.

North Carolina is not a directional university because "north" is part of the name of the state.

UCLA is not a directional university because by the formal UC system designation, it is recognized as a flagship along with UC-Berkley.

 

However, schools like UCF, USF, and ECU are directional, because they meet all three criteria. Those three criteria collectively have a stigma attached to them because they imply subordination to another school in the system, e.g., USF to UF, ECU to UNC, etc.

 

Schools with the word "tech" or "state" also face a lesser stigma, since they too are subordinate to the flagship, unless they also are the flagship in their system, such as Penn State, Ohio State, and LSU.

 

Either way, based on whatever definition you use, UConn is the next in line for the big boy table because they are the flagship school of their state.

Yes, but I would say it also depends in part on who the expanding conference is. If it is the B1G, then i expect UConn to have a huge advantage over USF and Cincy, because the B1G has historically shown a huge preference for flagships. But the ACC has not, as evidenced by their invitations to Syracuse, Louisville, and Pitt over UConn.

[swamprat]

 

 

 

 

 

 

UCLA too? In the end it doesn't matter if your the Univeristy of Southern Western East Rhode Island, you win some BCS or big bowl games yearly...everyone knows your name.

ok, UCLA is directional. i stand corrected. 

LA isn't a direction .... USC is the only deal buster.

 

By that definition, Wisconsin-Whitewater, Fresno State, UTSA, and SDSU are not directional schools. not many folks would agree with you there...

 

A city isn't a direction and those you mentioned aren't directional. I guess you would call them locational ... Bottom line in all this is that there is a directional school in a Power 5 conference, no matter what the definition.

 

Anyone OTHER than a fellow grammar nazi would consider all of those "directional" and would NOT consider USC in that category.

.

It's not about grammar, it's about image.

 

Wait for it...

 

 

Perception IS reality!!

 

 

 

Now I got it .... Basically, there are no "directional" schools in the Power 5 because, it appears, the definition of a "directional" school does not include BCS/Power 5 ...

No. Let me explain. A "directional" school is not necessarily a school with a direction like north or east in its name. It is directional if it has these characteristics:

 

1) Is a public institution

2) Is part of a system in which there is a flagship institution and the school in question is not the flagship.

3) it has a direction in its name that is NOT a part of the name of the state.

 

Thus, USC is not a directional university because it is not a public institution.

North Carolina is not a directional university because "north" is part of the name of the state.

UCLA is not a directional university because by the formal UC system designation, it is recognized as a flagship along with UC-Berkley.

 

However, schools like UCF, USF, and ECU are directional, because they meet all three criteria. Those three criteria collectively have a stigma attached to them because they imply subordination to another school in the system, e.g., USF to UF, ECU to UNC, etc.

 

Schools with the word "tech" or "state" also face a lesser stigma, since they too are subordinate to the flagship, unless they also are the flagship in their system, such as Penn State, Ohio State, and LSU.

 

If someone is going though that much trouble to stigmatize us, they're trying too hard.

[charsibb]

UCONN is absolutely NOT a candidate for the B1G.

 

Only those schools on this list will be considered. Full stop.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Membership

 

Public (34)

• The University of Arizona (1985)
• University at Buffalo, The State University of New York (1989)
• University of California, Berkeley (1900)
• University of California, Davis (1996)
• University of California, Irvine (1996)
• University of California, Los Angeles (1974)
• University of California, San Diego (1982)
• University of California, Santa Barbara (1995)
• University of Colorado Boulder (1966)
• University of Florida (1985)
• Georgia Institute of Technology (2010)
• University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (1908)
• Indiana University (1909)
• The University of Iowa (1909)
• Iowa State University (1958)
• University of Kansas (1909)
• University of Maryland, College Park (1969)

• University of Michigan (1900)
• Michigan State University (1964)
• University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (1908)
• University of Missouri-Columbia (1908)
• Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey (1989)
• University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1922)
• Ohio State University (1916)
• University of Oregon (1969)
• The Pennsylvania State University (1958)
• University of Pittsburgh (1974)
• Purdue University (1958)
• Stony Brook University (2001)
• University of Texas at Austin (1929)
• Texas A&M University (2001)
• University of Virginia (1904)
• University of Washington (1950)
• University of Wisconsin–Madison (1900)

Private (26)

• Boston University (2012)
• Brandeis University (1985)
• Brown University (1933)
• California Institute of Technology (1934)
• Carnegie Mellon University (1982)
• Case Western Reserve University (1969)
• The University of Chicago (1900)
• Columbia University (1900)
• Cornell University (1900)
• Duke University (1938)
• Emory University (1995)
• Harvard University (1900)
• The Johns Hopkins University (1900)

• Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1934)
• New York University (1950)
• Northwestern University (1917)
• University of Pennsylvania (1900)
• Princeton University (1900)
• Rice University (1985)
• University of Rochester (1941)
• University of Southern California (1969)
• Stanford University (1900)
• Tulane University (1958)
• Vanderbilt University (1950)
• Washington University in St. Louis (1923)
• Yale University (1900)

Canadian (2)

• McGill University (1926)
• University of Toronto (1926)

Former members

• The Catholic University of America (1900–2002)

Departed as a result of "institutional emphases and energies" that differed from the other AAU members.^[8]

• Clark University (1900–1999)

Departed because of a shift in the AAU's emphasis to large research universities.^[9]

• University of Nebraska–Lincoln (1909–2011)

Removed from the AAU.^[7] Chancellor Harvey Perlman claimed that the lack of an on-campus medical school (the Medical Center is a separate campus of the University of Nebraska system), and the AAU's disregarding of USDA-funded agricultural research in its metrics, hurt the university's performance in the association's internal ranking system.^[6] In 2010 Perlman stated that had Nebraska not been part of the AAU, the Big Ten would likely not have invited it to become the athletic conference's 12th member.^[2]

• Syracuse University (1966-2011)

Because of a dispute over how to count non-Federal grants, Syracuse voluntarily withdrew from the AAU in 2011. The Chronicle of Higher Education
reported that after "...it became clear that Syracuse wouldn't meet the
association's revised membership criteria, university officials decided
that they would leave the organization voluntarily, rather than face a
vote like Nebraska's, and notified the leadership of their intentions."^[10]

[Triple B]

Lotta **** rules for "directional" ....