Holtz is our

[MikeG]

"Holtz Hipster"??

I don't want to be divisive, but I consider myself a "Holtz Hugger". Gives us a softer touch like those Leavitt Lovers.

I wanted to change it to Holtz Huckleberries after I made the graphic but I am notoriously lazy (a Holtz Hesitator)

[MikeG]

then again-- I don't buy into the whole idea that CJL left USF in a state of "disaster" either.

The argument the other day was we had no talent because eight Bulls had been drafted into the NFL in the last two years, which I believe leads the Big East.

that doesn't equate to a disaster to me-- sounds like some place a talented recruit who had NFL aspirations would be more inclined to go

[Triple B]

then again-- I don't buy into the whole idea that CJL left USF in a state of "disaster" either.

The argument the other day was we had no talent because eight Bulls had been drafted into the NFL in the last two years, which I believe leads the Big East.

The fact that you've got some vehemently arguing we have too much talent to be where we are right now and some vehemently arguing that we are where we are right now because of not having enough talent speaks volumes and pretty much shows there is no real simple answer to this ... as much as some want to think there is.

[MikeG]

then again-- I don't buy into the whole idea that CJL left USF in a state of "disaster" either.

The argument the other day was we had no talent because eight Bulls had been drafted into the NFL in the last two years, which I believe leads the Big East.

The fact that you've got some vehemently arguing we have too much talent to be where we are right now and some vehemently arguing that we are where we are right now because of not having enough talent speaks volumes and pretty much shows there is no real simple answer to this ... as much as some want to think there is.

so true--

if we just had some method to debate this type of stuff-- a forum if you will-- where people could exchange viewpoints and opinions and the occasional sarcastic quip...