One less thing for us to bitch about.

[Bullpride08]

What's next? Pointing to the Heavens after a TD is going to get you a 15 yard celebration penalty?? With the exception of Pryor that one time, was there anything else on eye blacks beside scripture or area codes?

While it may sound preposterous, you may not be to far off base.  I would give up on college athletics if such a tact was taken by the NCAA.  But you know Universities, and the liberal University system...they've always hated public displays of religion or affection.  Sad! :'(

You have got to be kidding me? If the University "System" is so Liberal, then how did you make it through without being indoctrinated to the "Dark" side? Get over yourself, you CONservatives tell everyone else to be responsible for their own actions, UNTIL it comes to you, then it's "insert Government entity here" fault that I can't....... Besides, pointing to the sky can be paying respect to the sun or moon god, or to a fallen loved one, or to the USAF.....kneeling can be giving praise to Mother Earth for providing the ground, or grass that you are playing on......

Yeah keep telling yourself that junk....  Why do you think these black tape saying were banned?  It was because of the religious sayings that many players were displaying on them like Tebow, and BJ and many others.  Rarely, rarely was there anything that was offensive or advertising and the NCAA could have differentiated BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!!!!!  SO now you're giving me as asinine piece that 'religion' isn't considered and yet it was probably the focal point of this decision.   If it was so easy to make things sound 'non-religious' then why have they not chosen to taken a tolerant tact like you suggested?  Save your lilly-white ignorant talk, we all know the educators making the rules aren't as tolerant as you make them sound.

OH and put your political panties back on and re-insert your tampon please.  I don't need to hear your self-fullfilling political garble and labeling me.

[Carolina_Bull]

Not about religion.

NCAA is pre-empting the inevitable scenario where a kid starts to "advertise" a product or business on his eyeblack the same way a boxer gets a temporary tattoo schlepping a casino before he goes into a televised fight.

Follow the money.  its always about the money.  Wouldn't be surprised if the tv networks themselves requested this measure from the NCAA.

Players play. . . . . tv networks sell soap and beer.

[Bullpride08]

Not about religion.

NCAA is pre-empting the inevitable scenario where a kid starts to "advertise" a product or business on his eyeblack the same way a boxer gets a temporary tattoo schlepping a casino before he goes into a televised fight.

Follow the money.  its always about the money.  Wouldn't be surprised if the tv networks themselves requested this measure from the NCAA.

Players play. . . . . tv networks sell soap and beer.

Well since it's an NCAA violation for a player to sell or provide advertising of any kind that's ridiculous.  You realize that if BJ tried to display and advertisement below his eyebans, he would be ineligible the moment he stepped on the field.  It is also an NCAA violation for a school if any part of their jersey's provide advertising or changes are not pre-approved by the NCAA.  The NCAA has to actually approve the addition of a fallin player's jersey number, they had to approve us using Keely Dorsey's jersey and moving it around....

So why would the NCAA need to worry about that if their eligibility laws already cover that?  Basically before any player stepped on the field with a Nike Swoosh under his eye a coach or AD would yank it off for fear of getting an NCAA violation.  Hmmm, the real reason like most people have suggested that are following the decision, is that people putting religous and personal epitaph's below their eyes is not acceptable.  Take religion out of it, the NCAA doesn't like people using those areas to display and provide their own personal agendas, whether the agenda is religion, devil worshipping, or self-serving swag.  But since thus far religion has been the primary flavor for use....that's the focal point.

[Bull-by-Marriage]

What's next? Pointing to the Heavens after a TD is going to get you a 15 yard celebration penalty?? With the exception of Pryor that one time, was there anything else on eye blacks beside scripture or area codes?

While it may sound preposterous, you may not be to far off base.  I would give up on college athletics if such a tact was taken by the NCAA.  But you know Universities, and the liberal University system...they've always hated public displays of religion or affection.  Sad! :'(

You have got to be kidding me? If the University "System" is so Liberal, then how did you make it through without being indoctrinated to the "Dark" side? Get over yourself, you CONservatives tell everyone else to be responsible for their own actions, UNTIL it comes to you, then it's "insert Government entity here" fault that I can't....... Besides, pointing to the sky can be paying respect to the sun or moon god, or to a fallen loved one, or to the USAF.....kneeling can be giving praise to Mother Earth for providing the ground, or grass that you are playing on......

Yeah keep telling yourself that junk....  Why do you think these black tape saying were banned?  It was because of the religious sayings that many players were displaying on them like Tebow, and BJ and many others.  Rarely, rarely was there anything that was offensive or advertising and the NCAA could have differentiated BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!!!!!  SO now you're giving me as asinine piece that 'religion' isn't considered and yet it was probably the focal point of this decision.   If it was so easy to make things sound 'non-religious' then why have they not chosen to taken a tolerant tact like you suggested?  Save your lilly-white ignorant talk, we all know the educators making the rules aren't as tolerant as you make them sound.

OH and put your political panties back on and re-insert your tampon please.  I don't need to hear your self-fullfilling political garble and labeling me.

I said NOTHING PERSONAL about you, yet you make it personal. What is really funny though is how you COMPLETELY DUCKED the issue of self responsibilty. I have no problem with religion, I have no problem with people that practice religion, I've got no problem that Coach Holtz prays with the team. You just want to blame EVERYONE else for your problem with people that chose to not practice organized religion. You may want to go back and read the part of The Bible: Matthew 6:5-8

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Just saying.

[Bullpride08]

What's next? Pointing to the Heavens after a TD is going to get you a 15 yard celebration penalty?? With the exception of Pryor that one time, was there anything else on eye blacks beside scripture or area codes?

While it may sound preposterous, you may not be to far off base.  I would give up on college athletics if such a tact was taken by the NCAA.  But you know Universities, and the liberal University system...they've always hated public displays of religion or affection.  Sad! :'(

You have got to be kidding me? If the University "System" is so Liberal, then how did you make it through without being indoctrinated to the "Dark" side? Get over yourself, you CONservatives tell everyone else to be responsible for their own actions, UNTIL it comes to you, then it's "insert Government entity here" fault that I can't....... Besides, pointing to the sky can be paying respect to the sun or moon god, or to a fallen loved one, or to the USAF.....kneeling can be giving praise to Mother Earth for providing the ground, or grass that you are playing on......

Yeah keep telling yourself that junk....  Why do you think these black tape saying were banned?  It was because of the religious sayings that many players were displaying on them like Tebow, and BJ and many others.  Rarely, rarely was there anything that was offensive or advertising and the NCAA could have differentiated BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!!!!!  SO now you're giving me as asinine piece that 'religion' isn't considered and yet it was probably the focal point of this decision.   If it was so easy to make things sound 'non-religious' then why have they not chosen to taken a tolerant tact like you suggested?  Save your lilly-white ignorant talk, we all know the educators making the rules aren't as tolerant as you make them sound.

OH and put your political panties back on and re-insert your tampon please.  I don't need to hear your self-fullfilling political garble and labeling me.

I said NOTHING PERSONAL about you, yet you make it personal. What is really funny though is how you COMPLETELY DUCKED the issue of self responsibilty. I have no problem with religion, I have no problem with people that practice religion, I've got no problem that Coach Holtz prays with the team. You just want to blame EVERYONE else for your problem with people that chose to not practice organized religion. You may want to go back and read the part of The Bible: Matthew 6:5-8

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Just saying.

Just saying?....did you read your previous post or just decide to attack individuals, and label...'get over myself, and you CONservative...' ring a bell buck-o?  And i even used your extra caps with 'conservative' so you can recall better.

There is a significant liberal spin within public Universities which has been well documented and most have been subjected too.  It isn't about a 'dark side' it's about teaching in a vacuum, and I am a man of very sound principal so regardless if there was a 'darkside' or not, they were not about to sway my belief system.  This is not under some pre-concieved sub-text of 'politics' or 'religion', nor was my original post, just simply the liberalization of the Universities is somewhat of an understood practice because educating should not be a biased act, the inclusion of all individuals with equal rights for equal education.  HOWEVER, some Universities and secular teaching institutions have taken it a bit further to the point of assuming that 'inclusive' also means 'exclusion', i.e. we need only teach in a vacuum and all beliefs, and secular ideas must be left behind.

This isn't a political position which you ignorantly took it to be, and attacked me for, this is a generally accepted circumstance which exists in all public school systems and Universities.  Do not try to spin or attack me...the black eye-bans is assumed to have some religious motivation.  And do not tell me to 'get over myself' because I live in a country, and a world where everyday we're told more and more what we can and cannot do.  Some meaningful exclusions, and some just because it offends others.

If you want to call me a 'hick conservative' or cite scripture then have at chump.  But don't tell me what to say or how to say it.

[The Great 8]

There is a significant liberal spin within public Universities which has been well documented and most have been subjected too. 

I'm not getting into the rest of this argument (nor did I give it much of a read) but it's pretty asinine to challenge whether universities are generally liberal.

I'm fairly moderate (fiscally conservative, more liberal socially) and try to remain open minded. It's insane to think there's not a liberal skew in universities or places like Hollywood, etc.

I don't know why it is and I've never been particularly affected by it so I don't really care, but it's pretty easily observable.

[Rizman]

seriously, doesn't the NCAA have better things to be doing than banning eye black messages.

Once again they prove that they want college athletes to be emotionless players who make them a fortune.

They want to charge players to advertise so the NCAA gets more money.  They are greedy.

[postmortem]

[Bull-by-Marriage]

What's next? Pointing to the Heavens after a TD is going to get you a 15 yard celebration penalty?? With the exception of Pryor that one time, was there anything else on eye blacks beside scripture or area codes?

While it may sound preposterous, you may not be to far off base.  I would give up on college athletics if such a tact was taken by the NCAA.  But you know Universities, and the liberal University system...they've always hated public displays of religion or affection.  Sad! :'(

You have got to be kidding me? If the University "System" is so Liberal, then how did you make it through without being indoctrinated to the "Dark" side? Get over yourself, you CONservatives tell everyone else to be responsible for their own actions, UNTIL it comes to you, then it's "insert Government entity here" fault that I can't....... Besides, pointing to the sky can be paying respect to the sun or moon god, or to a fallen loved one, or to the USAF.....kneeling can be giving praise to Mother Earth for providing the ground, or grass that you are playing on......

Yeah keep telling yourself that junk....  Why do you think these black tape saying were banned?  It was because of the religious sayings that many players were displaying on them like Tebow, and BJ and many others.  Rarely, rarely was there anything that was offensive or advertising and the NCAA could have differentiated BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!!!!!  SO now you're giving me as asinine piece that 'religion' isn't considered and yet it was probably the focal point of this decision.   If it was so easy to make things sound 'non-religious' then why have they not chosen to taken a tolerant tact like you suggested?  Save your lilly-white ignorant talk, we all know the educators making the rules aren't as tolerant as you make them sound.

OH and put your political panties back on and re-insert your tampon please.  I don't need to hear your self-fullfilling political garble and labeling me.

I said NOTHING PERSONAL about you, yet you make it personal. What is really funny though is how you COMPLETELY DUCKED the issue of self responsibilty. I have no problem with religion, I have no problem with people that practice religion, I've got no problem that Coach Holtz prays with the team. You just want to blame EVERYONE else for your problem with people that chose to not practice organized religion. You may want to go back and read the part of The Bible: Matthew 6:5-8

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Just saying.

Just saying?....did you read your previous post or just decide to attack individuals, and label...'get over myself, and you CONservative...' ring a bell buck-o?  And i even used your extra caps with 'conservative' so you can recall better.

There is a significant liberal spin within public Universities which has been well documented and most have been subjected too.  It isn't about a 'dark side' it's about teaching in a vacuum, and I am a man of very sound principal so regardless if there was a 'darkside' or not, they were not about to sway my belief system.  This is not under some pre-concieved sub-text of 'politics' or 'religion', nor was my original post, just simply the liberalization of the Universities is somewhat of an understood practice because educating should not be a biased act, the inclusion of all individuals with equal rights for equal education.  HOWEVER, some Universities and secular teaching institutions have taken it a bit further to the point of assuming that 'inclusive' also means 'exclusion', i.e. we need only teach in a vacuum and all beliefs, and secular ideas must be left behind.

This isn't a political position which you ignorantly took it to be, and attacked me for, this is a generally accepted circumstance which exists in all public school systems and Universities.  Do not try to spin or attack me...the black eye-bans is assumed to have some religious motivation.  And do not tell me to 'get over myself' because I live in a country, and a world where everyday we're told more and more what we can and cannot do.  Some meaningful exclusions, and some just because it offends others.

If you want to call me a 'hick conservative' or cite scripture then have at chump.  But don't tell me what to say or how to say it.

DON'T EVER say to me: OH and put your political panties back on and re-insert your tampon please.  I don't need to hear your self-fullfilling political garble and labeling me, again. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. GO BULLS!!!!!

[Cow Pie]

I did not have a problem with the messages... sounds like the NCAA Nazi's are trying to crack down on Jesus being in Football.