My dream OC would be......

[bulldozier1]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

:-\ :-\ ??? To say a move from a non BCS conference to a BCS conference is a step down is nuts. If Boise St. was in the Big East, they would be in the national championship game. Know if you talking about top 15 in rankings, OK. Rankings come and go. Not a BCS statics. Jim will have to decide on whether if he wants to compete with the Gators, Oklahoma's not the ucf's in recruiting and rankings.

[Bull Dozer]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

:-\ :-\ ??? To say a move from a non BCS conference to a BCS conference is a step down is nuts. If Boise St. was in the Big East, they would be in the national championship game. Know if you talking about top 15 in rankings, OK. Rankings come and go. Not a BCS statics. Jim will have to decide on whether if he wants to compete with the Gators, Oklahoma's not the ucf's in recruiting and rankings.

He would have to take a pay cut and Boise St is prolly known just as well nationally as USF.  Boise also has a great chance to go to a BCS game every year due to their talent level compared to the rest of their conference.  The only thing he gains by coming here is the BCS tag next to the name of the team he would coach for which doesn't really mean much when you have Nick Saban trying to get you to come be his O-Coordinator at his current place of employment.  Take your green and gold blinders off man. 

Heres another realistic option

Rob Phenicie University of Montana

Rob has been the Grizzlies' offensive coordinator the last five seasons, and he also oversees the quarterbacks.

The past five seasons Montana has been ranked among the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision's (FCS) leaders in several offensive categories. Last year the 11-1 Griz were ranked 23rd in the nation in total offense, averaging 415.3 yards a game, and they were 24th in scoring offense at 31.42 points a game. In 2006, UM was ranked 22nd in total offense (366.6 yards a game).

A year ago Montana had seven on offense named first or second team All-Big Sky Conference and seven honorable mention selections as well. Last season Griz junior quarterback Cole Bergquist was a second team selection, and he was ranked 19th in the country in total offense (250.17 yards a game).

In 2006, Rob was selected as the “Assistant Coach of the Year†at the FCS level by the All-America Football Foundation, along with UM defensive coordinator Kraig Paulson. Phenicie served as the offensive coordinator of the 2006 New Era Bowl in Japan with Paulson.

Prior to joining the Griz coaching staff, Rob served as the co-offensive coordinator at the University of Wyoming, and he also oversaw the Cowboy's passing game. He was an assistant coach at Wyoming from 2000-2002.

He was the recruiting coordinator and wide receivers coach for the Cowboys in 2001, and that season Wyoming was ranked 15th in the nation in passing offense, averaging 282.4 yards a game. In his first season at Wyoming he coached the wide receivers.

Before coaching in Laramie, he was an offensive assistant coach at UNLV for a season. Prior to that he was the offensive coordinator and wide receivers coach at Cal State Northridge in 1997 and 1998. In 1997 Northridge led the FCS in passing yards and was fifth in total offense.

Phenicie began his coaching career as a graduate assistant at his alma mater, the University of Memphis, from 1989-90. He worked at UCLA in 1991-92 as a graduate assistant coach.

In 1992, he was hired as the quarterbacks and wide receivers coach at Los Angeles Valley College, coaching there until 1996. L.A. Valley was the top-ranked team in the nation in 1995 and led the country in scoring (45.7 ppg).

He began his college playing career as a tight end at the University of Nebraska in 1984. He transferred to Memphis where he completed his playing career. He received his B.A. degree from Memphis in 1989 and his master's degree from there in 1991.

A native of Huntington Beach, Calif., Rob and his wife Jennifer have a daughter Meghen, 10.

http://www.montanagrizzlies.com/pages/bio.aspx?b=26972697269710788yes2697809153942157624273&m=18

[bulldozier1]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

:-\ :-\ ??? To say a move from a non BCS conference to a BCS conference is a step down is nuts. If Boise St. was in the Big East, they would be in the national championship game. Know if you talking about top 15 in rankings, OK. Rankings come and go. Not a BCS statics. Jim will have to decide on whether if he wants to compete with the Gators, Oklahoma's not the ucf's in recruiting and rankings.

He would have to take a pay cut and Boise St is prolly known just as well nationally as USF.  Boise also has a great chance to go to a BCS game every year due to their talent level compared to the rest of their conference.  The only thing he gains by coming here is the BCS tag next to the name of the team he would coach for which doesn't really mean much when you have Nick Saban trying to get you to come be his O-Coordinator at his current place of employment.  Take your green and gold blinders off man. 

Boise is  more well known then USF. Fact is that Boise has a harder time getting in the BCS championship then USF. Fact is that Biose went undefeated and played OU in [glow=red,2,300]A[/glow] BCS game. If USF would have went undefeated last season. They would have played in [glow=red,2,300]THEE[/glow] BCS game.

[Bull Dozer]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

:-\ :-\ ??? To say a move from a non BCS conference to a BCS conference is a step down is nuts. If Boise St. was in the Big East, they would be in the national championship game. Know if you talking about top 15 in rankings, OK. Rankings come and go. Not a BCS statics. Jim will have to decide on whether if he wants to compete with the Gators, Oklahoma's not the ucf's in recruiting and rankings.

He would have to take a pay cut and Boise St is prolly known just as well nationally as USF.  Boise also has a great chance to go to a BCS game every year due to their talent level compared to the rest of their conference.  The only thing he gains by coming here is the BCS tag next to the name of the team he would coach for which doesn't really mean much when you have Nick Saban trying to get you to come be his O-Coordinator at his current place of employment.  Take your green and gold blinders off man. 

Boise is  more well known then USF. Fact is that Boise has a harder time getting in the BCS championship then USF. Fact is that Biose went undefeated and played OU in [glow=red,2,300]A[/glow] BCS game. If USF would have went undefeated last season. They would have played in [glow=red,2,300]THEE[/glow] BCS game.

Boise has proven they can get there we have not.  All we have proven is we are a middle of the pack big east team while Boise St. has a BCS win under their belt.  Also he would take a pay cut to get here which automatically makes USF a step down for him.  USF is only a step up for the BCS tag every other area he would consider is a step down or at best a lateral move, please try again. 

[bullsbucsboltsrays]

Boise is  more well known then USF. Fact is that Boise has a harder time getting in the BCS championship then USF. Fact is that Biose went undefeated and played OU in [glow=red,2,300]A[/glow] BCS game. If USF would have went undefeated last season. They would have played in [glow=red,2,300]THEE[/glow] BCS game.

JESUS CHRIST.  yes, we understand how the BCS and its conferences work.  It still doesnt change the fact that Boise State has more wins than us, more BCS BOWL APPEARANCES than us, more BCS BOWL WINS than us, more conference titles than us, and a better reputation for WINNING than us.

Just because we are BCS doesnt mean we are holier than thou.. I mean, jesus christ, if by your logic, a gig at DUKE would be better than Boise State (which we know is sure not).  Boise St. is the cream of the non-BCS crop and could come down to Raymond James stadium and dissect us in a heartbeat.

[bulldozier1]

Boise is  more well known then USF. Fact is that Boise has a harder time getting in the BCS championship then USF. Fact is that Biose went undefeated and played OU in [glow=red,2,300]A[/glow] BCS game. If USF would have went undefeated last season. They would have played in [glow=red,2,300]THEE[/glow] BCS game.

JESUS CHRIST.  yes, we understand how the BCS and its conferences work.  It still doesnt change the fact that Boise State has more wins than us, more BCS BOWL APPEARANCES than us, more BCS BOWL WINS than us, more conference titles than us, and a better reputation for WINNING than us.

Just because we are BCS doesnt mean we are holier than thou.. I mean, jesus christ, if by your logic, a gig at DUKE would be better than Boise State (which we know is sure not).  Boise St. is the cream of the non-BCS crop and could come down to Raymond James stadium and dissect us in a heartbeat.

??? :-\What the hell are you talking about. Where did you read anything I wrote that suggest or even hint at that USF was holier than thou? I was talking about offensive coordinators. You suggest that coming to USF would be a down grade. A gig at USF is totally different from a gig at Duke.  Let's say he came here and turned Grothe and the offense around. They go undefeated and win the BE. Boise go undefeated. Who has the better chance of going to the championship game? It won't be Boise. They will never let a non BCS team in the big game. They would have to admit to a felled system.

[Bull94]

Boise is  more well known then USF. Fact is that Boise has a harder time getting in the BCS championship then USF. Fact is that Biose went undefeated and played OU in [glow=red,2,300]A[/glow] BCS game. If USF would have went undefeated last season. They would have played in [glow=red,2,300]THEE[/glow] BCS game.

JESUS CHRIST.  yes, we understand how the BCS and its conferences work.  It still doesnt change the fact that Boise State has more wins than us, more BCS BOWL APPEARANCES than us, more BCS BOWL WINS than us, more conference titles than us, and a better reputation for WINNING than us.

Just because we are BCS doesnt mean we are holier than thou.. I mean, jesus christ, if by your logic, a gig at DUKE would be better than Boise State (which we know is sure not).  Boise St. is the cream of the non-BCS crop and could come down to Raymond James stadium and dissect us in a heartbeat.

??? :-\What the hell are you talking about. Where did you read anything I wrote that suggest or even hint at that USF was holier than thou? I was talking about offensive coordinators. You suggest that coming to USF would be a down grade. A gig at USF is totally different from a gig at Duke.  Let's say he came here and turned Grothe and the offense around. They go undefeated and win the BE. Boise go undefeated. Who has the better chance of going to the championship game? It won't be Boise. They will never let a non BCS team in the big game. They would have to admit to a felled system.

USF may be a better job in your eyes but it's not in his. he played qb for boise state. his wife went there. Saban wanted to interview him for Bama OC and he said no.

Do you think he had a better shot at Bama to go to the NC game?

[dabull80]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

How about Jimmie Dougherty form San Diego

Dougherty returns in 2008 for his fifth season coaching at the University of San Diego. For the third straight year he will coach the quarterbacks, but this season has been promoted from Passing Game Coordinator to Offensive Coordinator.

The past two seasons, Dougherty has coached the quarterbacks, the position that he played in college. He flourished in furthering the development of former USD quarterback Josh Johnson. Johnson, a 5th round draft pick by the Tampa Bay Bucaneers, leaves USD as the program's all-time passing leader in every category. Last year he completed 43 touchdowns with just one interception and finished 3rd in the final Walter Payton Award voting for the top FCS player. For his career he completed 724 of 1,065 passes (.680) for 9,699 yards and 113 touchdowns. His career passing efficiency rating of 176.7 is a new all-time NCAA mark.

He came to USD in 2004 and coached an outstanding wide receiver corp. That receiving group included All-American and team MVP Michael Gasperson as a senior, and Adam Hannula who went on to rewrite the school record book for career numbers the following season as a senior. Gasperson led the team with 54 catches for 894 yards with 7 TD's that season. Gasperson was signed after the season as a free agent by the Philadelphia Eagles and also was allocated to NFL Europe to play for the Cologne Centurions.

The following season Dougherty showed his versatility and coached the tight ends. This group was led by senior Matt Koller who went on to earn All Pioneer Football League Conference honors that year.

Prior to USD, Dougherty was a graduate assistant at Illinois Wesleyan University in Bloomington, Illinois from 2002-2004. During his years there, he was the defensive backs coach. He earned his masters from Illinois State during that time in Sport Management.

Dougherty played quarterback at the University of Missouri from 1997-2001. He was a three year letter winner from 99-01. He started as a sophomore, throwing for over 1,400 yards and 7 TD's. His career was cut short as a junior when he suffered a ligament tear in his throwing elbow. Dougherty was a former All State performer at Edwardsville High School in football and basketball. He played for his father, Tim Dougherty, at Edwardsville High School. His father is now the head football coach at New Lennox High School.

http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dougherty_jimmie00.html

He's shown he can develop QB's in a spread offense and even sent one to the NFL in Johnson and they run a spread attack so he would be good at getting our personnel in a position to make plays.  It would be a step up for him coming from the FCS to a FBS BCS team and I think he would be a good fit. 

Edit: he also would have recruiting connections in Cali which is a hot bed for football talent and produces the same kind of quality athletes that TX and FL does.

Changing coaches is always a little problematic.  Different system,plays etc.  With that being said - I really like this guys resume.  I know CJL goes to Cal semi-regular since his wife is from there so he could hook up with him and keep it on the QT.  I also tend to give coaches the benefit of the doubt but when I read the bio on Dougherty I would say if we could get a guy like this - go for it.  It really looks impressive.

[Bull Dozer]

Im not sure of his salary but with being an OC at the FCS level i think he could be in our price range which is always a big factor when we go looking for coaches. 

[Bull94]

So you wouldnt take a chance on building a BCS team's O into an impressive top 15 team year in and out for a future shot at a good head coaching job in the future?

Im not saying it would happen, i just dont see ur logic.

Umm, Boise St. is already a top 15 team, so it would be moving down..  Why go down to USF and take a CHANCE on putting an offense together (which may not even work) when you can just stay at your Top 15 football program and wait for a nice HC job to open up?

We're not at the ND-level where we can pluck OC's from Top 15 programs and have them work for us.  We need to dig deeper and lower to programs with staff that is even more unproven on a media-scale.  Division II is my suggestion.  Get an OC from one of the Div II powerhouses.  It should be an upgrade in salary (or a lateral move, at least), but definitely an upgrade in exposure.

How about Jimmie Dougherty form San Diego

Dougherty returns in 2008 for his fifth season coaching at the University of San Diego. For the third straight year he will coach the quarterbacks, but this season has been promoted from Passing Game Coordinator to Offensive Coordinator.

The past two seasons, Dougherty has coached the quarterbacks, the position that he played in college. He flourished in furthering the development of former USD quarterback Josh Johnson. Johnson, a 5th round draft pick by the Tampa Bay Bucaneers, leaves USD as the program's all-time passing leader in every category. Last year he completed 43 touchdowns with just one interception and finished 3rd in the final Walter Payton Award voting for the top FCS player. For his career he completed 724 of 1,065 passes (.680) for 9,699 yards and 113 touchdowns. His career passing efficiency rating of 176.7 is a new all-time NCAA mark.

He came to USD in 2004 and coached an outstanding wide receiver corp. That receiving group included All-American and team MVP Michael Gasperson as a senior, and Adam Hannula who went on to rewrite the school record book for career numbers the following season as a senior. Gasperson led the team with 54 catches for 894 yards with 7 TD's that season. Gasperson was signed after the season as a free agent by the Philadelphia Eagles and also was allocated to NFL Europe to play for the Cologne Centurions.

The following season Dougherty showed his versatility and coached the tight ends. This group was led by senior Matt Koller who went on to earn All Pioneer Football League Conference honors that year.

Prior to USD, Dougherty was a graduate assistant at Illinois Wesleyan University in Bloomington, Illinois from 2002-2004. During his years there, he was the defensive backs coach. He earned his masters from Illinois State during that time in Sport Management.

Dougherty played quarterback at the University of Missouri from 1997-2001. He was a three year letter winner from 99-01. He started as a sophomore, throwing for over 1,400 yards and 7 TD's. His career was cut short as a junior when he suffered a ligament tear in his throwing elbow. Dougherty was a former All State performer at Edwardsville High School in football and basketball. He played for his father, Tim Dougherty, at Edwardsville High School. His father is now the head football coach at New Lennox High School.

http://usdtoreros.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/dougherty_jimmie00.html

He's shown he can develop QB's in a spread offense and even sent one to the NFL in Johnson and they run a spread attack so he would be good at getting our personnel in a position to make plays.  It would be a step up for him coming from the FCS to a FBS BCS team and I think he would be a good fit. 

Edit: he also would have recruiting connections in Cali which is a hot bed for football talent and produces the same kind of quality athletes that TX and FL does.

Changing coaches is always a little problematic.  Different system,plays etc.  With that being said - I really like this guys resume.  I know CJL goes to Cal semi-regular since his wife is from there so he could hook up with him and keep it on the QT.  I also tend to give coaches the benefit of the doubt but when I read the bio on Dougherty I would say if we could get a guy like this - go for it.  It really looks impressive.

plenty of young guys at that level that are doing some impressive things. this is definitely the way we need to go. FCS or d-2 produces lots of good young coaches.

Bringing someone in new will always take some adjusting but i'd rather bring in a new guy now so he can start to develop Daniels. Better play calling would help grothe tremendously too.

unfortunatley the guys we have running our offense now have suspect resumes. Gregory was fired at Ohio for having the 11th ranked offense in the MAC. Canales was fired at AZ for having the 115th ranked offense in the country.

We need a young, creative offensive coordinator.