One of the greatest turnarounds in CFB history, 1-11 USF still on pace to go to a Bowl

[olafberserker]

From ESPN:

What accusations mean for Michigan football, Jim Harbaugh - ESPN

WWW.ESPN.COM

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The NCAA is investigating Michigan amid allegations of sign stealing. What does that mean?

If the Wolverines sent people to games to steal signs, it would violate NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." 

[Outlaw]

40 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

From ESPN:

What accusations mean for Michigan football, Jim Harbaugh - ESPN

WWW.ESPN.COM

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The NCAA is investigating Michigan amid allegations of sign stealing. What does that mean?

If the Wolverines sent people to games to steal signs, it would violate NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." 

According to the article is a voluntary coach ,so Michigan will say in their defense they didn't send him he volunteered  to go scout other teams.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Outlaw

[Triple B]

20 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

According to the article is a voluntary coach ,so Michigan will say in their defense they didn't send him he volunteered  to go scout other teams.

Where does the bylaw specify sending someone?

1 hour ago, olafberserker said:

NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states: "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited." 

[Mike Stuben]

2 hours ago, olafberserker said:

So they are being accused of "stealing" signs because they went to scout future opponents and figured out their signs?   I hear about the alleged "sign stealing" but did not know the details.   That doesn't sound like "sign stealing" to me.  It sounds like scouting

You scout using film (that doesn't shows signs) .... sending someone in person is cheating (per the NCAA rules), and that is the only reason to send someone. Film is better for scouting than one person sitting in the stands. 

[olafberserker]

5 minutes ago, Mike Stuben said:

You scout using film (that doesn't shows signs) .... sending someone in person is cheating (per the NCAA rules), and that is the only reason to send someone. Film is better for scouting than one person sitting in the stands. 

Yeah, I read the article that explained it.  

[olafberserker]

56 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

According to the article is a voluntary coach ,so Michigan will say in their defense they didn't send him he volunteered  to go scout other teams.

 

34 minutes ago, Triple B said:

Where does the bylaw specify sending someone?

Even though Harbaugh said he had no knowledge of the alleged scheme, pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 11.1.2.1, a head coach is "presumed to have knowledge of what is occurring in his program and therefore, can be responsible for the actions of his staff and individuals associated with the program."

Earlier this year, the NCAA "removed the rebuttable presumption from head coach responsibility, making whether the head coach promoted compliance and/or monitored the program relevant to penalty determinations only."

[olafberserker]

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

According to the article is a voluntary coach ,so Michigan will say in their defense they didn't send him he volunteered  to go scout other teams.

Not a volunteer coach per the article:

Who is Connor Stalions?

Stalions is a person of interest in the NCAA's investigation, sources told ESPN. He has worked as an off-field analyst for the Wolverines since May 2022.

[WoolyBully]

Volunteer coach? Is this like being a prospect in biker gangs: Polish the helmets, go on a Gatorade run, sweep up locker room tape after practice? And if, one random Sunday while sitting in church, you happen to inadvertently overhear a couple of Vagos talking about a dope deal, just casually mention it to the road captain...

Or we can go the CIA contractor route...affords a measure of plausible deniability while the 'product collection' work is done at arm's length.

And having a porn star name - if, indeed, that is his real name - just adds to the excitement. I think this is a case of getting caught more so than being the rarest of occurrences.

[Outlaw]

32 minutes ago, olafberserker said:

Not a volunteer coach per the article:

Who is Connor Stalions?

Stalions is a person of interest in the NCAA's investigation, sources told ESPN. He has worked as an off-field analyst for the Wolverines since May 2022.

Literally  in the artice it says he was a volunteer coach during the time the allegations occured. I am not attacking just pointing out what the article says and my statement  was correct as he him being a volunteer coach.

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by Outlaw

[olafberserker]

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Literally  in the artice it says he was a volunteer coach during the time the allegations occured. I am not attacking just pointing out what the article says and my statement  was correct as he him being a volunteer coach.

 

First of all a "volunteer" coach is still a coach and a part of the program so it is irrelevant.

Second, the article says the following:  A source told ESPN that the Wolverines have used an "elaborate" scouting system to steal signals from future opponents since at least 2021.

You quote also states WAS