USFBULL_08 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 48 Content Count: 2,347 Reputation: 661 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/29/2009 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, OhioBull said: The reason I think Frost is because he’s won at our level. He was close at Nebraska and feel like in some ways it wasn’t all on him. I wouldn’t mind the hire but maybe there is someone better. Bunch of coaches have won at our "level". Zero reason to bring in an alleged alcoholic. Edited November 7, 2022 by USFBULL_08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFguy1977 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1 Content Count: 38 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2013 Share Posted November 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Brad said: And my anger over the years has been about my alma mater and how they handled that "situation". I was so ashamed, so negative and so disconnected from USF because of it. Selfishly speaking, it's just the fact that this powerful institution could right the wrong and show some ******* decency, contrition and interest in the rest of us. It would be spectacular. Afterall, they try to teach us all to do the same. They broke ethical norms. I thought MK was not cut from the same mold. I thought he'd at least find a way three years ago. He didn't. CJL was hoping for it, this I know. Final chance to fix the program, the University and the fans. If we pass on this time, we'll NEVER do it right. Inviting him back at your pleasure when he's 80 years old is no good. ******* end this nightmare. Don't continue to make it worse. Look, Leavitt is on my short list. I'm alumni as well - and I attended during our golden years. Hell, I was at the Auburn game and WV game (as well as all the other home games). Even met CJL. He was a god in my eyes. But to blame the University for this and even claim that they "broke ethical norms" is utterly ridiculous. Leavitt allegedly physically assaulted a player, which is at least a fireable offense, if not a crime. Even if you don't believe those allegations, he lied and interfered with the investigation (which, why do you do that if you are innocent?). If nothing else - interfering with the investigation is a MAJOR ethical violation and certainly a fireable offense. I'm willing to forgive him for some very poor decisions and even hire him back - but to say that the University was somehow in the wrong is ludicrous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,502 Reputation: 2,951 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, USFguy1977 said: Look, Leavitt is on my short list. I'm alumni as well - and I attended during our golden years. Hell, I was at the Auburn game and WV game (as well as all the other home games). Even met CJL. He was a god in my eyes. But to blame the University for this and even claim that they "broke ethical norms" is utterly ridiculous. Leavitt allegedly physically assaulted a player, which is at least a fireable offense, if not a crime. Even if you don't believe those allegations, he lied and interfered with the investigation (which, why do you do that if you are innocent?). If nothing else - interfering with the investigation is a MAJOR ethical violation and certainly a fireable offense. I'm willing to forgive him for some very poor decisions and even hire him back - but to say that the University was somehow in the wrong is ludicrous. I will say it. USF made a terrible mistake in firing Leavitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFguy1977 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1 Content Count: 38 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2013 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said: Leavitt is the only candidate you have listed that would bring excitement back to USF football. I dunno, I think this guy gets the fans pretty pumped up... Regardless, people would get excited about Oprah Winfrey if she won football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFguy1977 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 1 Content Count: 38 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2013 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said: I will say it. USF made a terrible mistake in firing Leavitt. I'm not saying that it wasn't a mistake. I have mixed feelings on that. I remember thinking Leavitt had plateaued at the time and that we needed to bring in someone to build on his foundation. But hindsight is 20/20 and looking back on it, it would have been better to move forward with Leavitt than to turn it over to the golfer CSH. What I AM saying is that it wasn't wrong...as in somehow ethically or morally questionable. Leavitt caused the situation and they did what they felt they had to do. OP was blasting the University like some sort of conspiracy theorist as if USF cooked it all up or something. That's just silly. Edited November 7, 2022 by USFguy1977 grammatical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sellular1 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 196 Content Count: 6,619 Reputation: 1,786 Days Won: 51 Joined: 07/04/2008 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Outlaw said: Sounds great but I don't think we have the money to match what some SEC school will offer him. Flat rate, $500k per win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,502 Reputation: 2,951 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, USFguy1977 said: I'm not saying that it wasn't a mistake. I have mixed feelings on that. I remember thinking Leavitt had plateaued at the time and that we needed to bring in someone to build on his foundation. But hindsight is 20/20 and looking back on it, it would have been better to move forward with Leavitt than to turn it over to the golfer CSH. What I AM saying is that it wasn't wrong...as in somehow ethically or morally questionable. Leavitt caused the situation and they did what they felt they had to do. OP was blasting the University like some sort of conspiracy theorist like USF cooked it all up or something. That's just silly. USF basically rushed to judgment. The majority of the players & coaches were shocked and disappointed in USF after the firing. I could see if there was more outcry from the players to get rid of Leavitt’s but it was the exact opposite. To this day, many of Leavitt’s players still love him and I’m sure would welcome his return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm101 Posted November 7, 2022 Group: TBP Subscriber Topic Count: 173 Content Count: 7,008 Reputation: 2,261 Days Won: 12 Joined: 06/11/2010 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Do people want Jim Leavitt the *coach* back? Or his passion and energy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Matrix Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 604 Content Count: 16,502 Reputation: 2,951 Days Won: 43 Joined: 01/04/2003 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, hm101 said: Do people want Jim Leavitt the *coach* back? Or his passion and energy? All of the above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Style Posted November 7, 2022 Group: Member Topic Count: 109 Content Count: 21,142 Reputation: 4,644 Days Won: 39 Joined: 09/14/2007 Share Posted November 7, 2022 37 minutes ago, USFguy1977 said: Urban Meyer, Jon Gruden, Art Briles - No. Just...no. I would normally agree with you 99.9% of the time but we could throw Urban some club access and win 10 games until he has a colossal gaffe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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