New Series on FB Schedule:USF vs BYU

[puc86]

1 minute ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Look at New Mexico State, that is much closer to what our scheduling would look like as a independent. We would still be playing mostly AAC, Sun Belt, and CUSA teams except we would need to do it on their terms because we need them, with no conference kick back money and no tv deal.  Again that all sounds great in theory but you have to have the name value to consistently get the games of value on the schedule to make it feasible or you end coming back hat in hand to conference you left an the AAC might not take us back. 

2-1 is not sustainable for a ten game season especially when the schools can just say, naw here's some money we aren't coming. 

I would be perfectly happy with zero home games and getting checks for buyouts which if we really wanted to we could sweeten the pot for a new deal if we really didn’t want to keep and balance our budget with. We seem to have no issues finding decent out of conference games with our current constraints and there really is no reason to believe it couldn’t be enhanced with every game open and not trying to protect more home games than people actually want to come to.

[BrassBulls12]

1 minute ago, puc86 said:

I would be perfectly happy with zero home games and getting checks for buyouts which if we really wanted to we could sweeten the pot for a new deal if we really didn’t want to keep and balance our budget with. We seem to have no issues finding decent out of conference games with our current constraints and there really is no reason to believe it couldn’t be enhanced with every game open and not trying to protect more home games than people actually want to come to.

Well it's a lot easier when you are only having to fill four OOC games per year. Not sure where no issues comes from, teams aren't knocking down the door to come here and play and we end having to pay a few just to fill the four. We have to sweeten the deal to get the big names here and the reality is we aren't going to see all of the ones have scheduled play. The zero home game year is a very real possibility if you have to use 2-1s are your primary scheduling tactic. 

it's just a bold move cotton, not sure we are in a bet on yourself situation.  

[BrassBulls12]

I also think we should prove that we are better than this conference before we act like it. 

[puc86]

2 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

Well it's a lot easier when you are only having to fill four OOC games per year. Not sure where no issues comes from, teams aren't knocking down the door to come here and play and we end having to pay a few just to fill the four. We have to sweeten the deal to get the big names here and the reality is we aren't going to see all of the ones have scheduled play. The zero home game year is a very real possibility if you have to use 2-1s are your primary scheduling tactic. 

it's just a bold move cotton, not sure we are in a bet on yourself situation.  

I think it’s simply because we are looking at the math wrong and it’s a universally held position that home games are the greatest good. Our current home games are holding us back from a balanced budget and it does not improve engagement because most people have no desire to watch 7 of these teams at Ray Jay. Our goal should be how to generate interest and balance the budget and if we figure out those things we can then start worrying about luxuries like how to play more games at home. If we had to pay $2-3 million a year to have a stadium to pay for that obviously changes the math but as it stands in reality we pay more to play more and the more of them that exist the more we pay and the less likely anyone is to commit to going to them.

[BrassBulls12]

7 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I think it’s simply because we are looking at the math wrong and it’s a universally held position that home games are the greatest good. Our current home games are holding us back from a balanced budget and it does not improve engagement because most people have no desire to watch 7 of these teams at Ray Jay. Our goal should be how to generate interest and balance the budget and if we figure out those things we can then start worrying about luxuries like how to play more games at home. If we had to pay $2-3 million a year to have a stadium to pay for that obviously changes the math but as it stands in reality we pay more to play more and the more of them that exist the more we pay and the less likely anyone is to commit to going to them.

How much do you think teams are going to willing to pay us to come play when they know we need them? I realize it looks good on paper, but that's just paper, we need cooperation from outside of USF to make it work and we have nothing to offer and excep saying hey, we will come cheaper than the other guys. 

I don't see how you generate interest by playing away from home. it not like we are the only form of entertainment in town, it's not people will suddenly be feeling the urge to go to USF games by taking them away. 

It would also work against out general recruiting strategy, how can we tell Bay area kids to stay home if we aren't gonna try and play here as much as we can.

Edited February 16, 2021 by BrassBulls12

[Guest SittingBull]

2 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

I don't see how you generate interest by playing away from home. it not like we are the only form of entertainment in town, it's not people will suddenly be feeling the urge to go to USF games by taking them away. 

“Absence makes the heart grow fonder.”

[BrassBulls12]

Just now, SittingBull said:

“Absence makes the heart grow fonder.”

or sometimes "out of sight, out of mind"

[puc86]

3 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

How much do you think teams are going to willing to pay us to come play when they know we need them? I realize it looks good on paper, but that's just paper, we need cooperation from outside of USF to make it work and we have nothing to offer and excep saying hey, we will come cheaper than the other guys. 

I don't see how you generate interest by playing away from home. it not like we are the only form of entertainment in town, it's not people will suddenly be feeling the urge to go to USF games by taking them away. 

It would also work against out general recruiting strategy, how can we tell Bay area kids to stay home if we aren't gonna try and play here as much as we can.

I think if anyone has any games circles as a reason to come here it would be the Alabama and Florida games and I do not honestly think they care where they are. If kids are truly in love with playing the AAC home slate simply because their family and friends can come to more of them I’m not sure how that can be fixed but the unfortunate fact of the matter is that the stadium looks like those are the only people interested in going to those games. As for how much they would pay us because of leverage it would be a dollar less than their next available option. 2-1’s benefit both parties and that dynamic does not change simply because it is scaled. No one grows up dreaming about playing an AAC slate unless that dream starts with a little girl singing 1,2 Freddy is coming for you. And most players and fans would prefer to play teams that they have actually heard of before.

[John Lewis]

14 minutes ago, puc86 said:

I think it’s simply because we are looking at the math wrong and it’s a universally held position that home games are the greatest good. Our current home games are holding us back from a balanced budget and it does not improve engagement because most people have no desire to watch 7 of these teams at Ray Jay. Our goal should be how to generate interest and balance the budget and if we figure out those things we can then start worrying about luxuries like how to play more games at home. If we had to pay $2-3 million a year to have a stadium to pay for that obviously changes the math but as it stands in reality we pay more to play more and the more of them that exist the more we pay and the less likely anyone is to commit to going to them.

I would think it's safe to say that our future schedules are certainly generating interest. There were plenty of college football writers who lauded our series with Florida and Alabama and agreed with the approach that USF is taking. I believe this does achieve the balance you're seeking with interest and budget. We only have 1 season in the next 7 (2024) where we will have 7 homes games, so the math is in our favor.

[puc86]

9 minutes ago, BrassBulls12 said:

or sometimes "out of sight, out of mind"

They invented these new things called televisions which when you don’t play AAC teams you apparently get on and most people actually prefer the game experience of over the stadium. Scarcity and a lack of over production of unwanted items will typically help drive demand more than decrease it. The value of a ticket in a 70k person stadium that has 20k people show up is effectively zero dollars where as the less opportunity to go and the playing of more intriguing teams should help drive up demand.