Skingraft Posted June 17, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 743 Content Count: 13,357 Reputation: 2,482 Days Won: 63 Joined: 12/11/2006 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have confidence that USF fans will bring a lot of hope to the first opening game. After that... well,... repeat the past two seasons Same boat, Different paddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted June 17, 2015 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,640 Reputation: 10,878 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I have confidence that USF fans will bring a lot of hope to the first opening game. After that... well,... repeat the past two seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I have confidence that USF fans will bring a lot of hope to the first opening game. After that... well,... repeat the past two seasons Wish I could facepalm that post too, but unfortunately if the team lays a turd in the first couple games, I think in large he'll probably be right. Few of our fans have an appreciable patience buffer, helped by years of disappointment. For most, the glass is really half-empty in spite of trying to believe it's half-full. If we struggle, I can already feel the air letting out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,640 Reputation: 10,878 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I have confidence that USF fans will bring a lot of hope to the first opening game. After that... well,... repeat the past two seasons Wish I could facepalm that post too, but unfortunately if the team lays a turd in the first couple games, I think in large he'll probably be right. Few of our fans have an appreciable patience buffer, helped by years of disappointment. For most, the glass is really half-empty in spite of trying to believe it's half-full. If we struggle, I can already feel the air letting out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flsportsfan83 Posted June 18, 2015 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,750 Content Count: 17,492 Reputation: 1,248 Days Won: 13 Joined: 08/16/2004 Share Posted June 18, 2015 This team will be lucky to win 6 games. If they do I will be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple B Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Moderator Topic Count: 1,615 Content Count: 74,640 Reputation: 10,878 Days Won: 424 Joined: 11/25/2005 Share Posted June 18, 2015 This team will be lucky to win 6 games. If they do I will be surprised. I'm feeling better about the season ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFbulls24 Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 17 Content Count: 1,516 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/2013 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Jim, great breakdown of the talent - but it's not the talent that worries me. It's the coaching. I've seen nothing from CWT that shows he can call or manage a game. Without leadership, all that talent is wasted. Here's hoping Taggs comes into his own this year and really shines in scheming, play-calling, and game management. I must add that CJL and CSH were not very good during the game either... I mean, how many times did CJL have to burn two or three timeouts in the 1st or 3rd quarters? All three coaches were awful at playcalling. I could sit in the stands, look at the formation, and know exactly what the offense was going to run.... and I didn't watch game film. Where CJL was really good was assembling talented players and putting them on the field. I actually think CWT is a better recruiter than CJL. My perspective: CSH was hamstrung by the old administration - basically returning our team to an FCS program in terms of talent. So CWT was asked to take a team from the FCS level to a bowl game in three years... Remember it took CJL four years to do that... So yeah... CWT does have something to prove.. but I think he'll get there this year. Pretty sure CJL didn't call the plays? Leavitt was fantastic at bringing in talent and the biggest part of that equation, DEVELOPING that talent. CJL was good enough to win games @ AUB, @FSU, etc. Yea, we struggled in conference play, but I don't think it's fair to group Leavitt, with Holtz and Taggart in terms of in game coaching when the results have been nothing short of night and day different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFbulls24 Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 17 Content Count: 1,516 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/20/2013 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Assuming "success in 2015" is defined as more wins than last year, the bar is set pretty low. Are we defining success as winning the conference championship? Not going to happen. Are we defining success as making it to the conference championship? No, again not going to happen. Are we defining success as a winning season (e.g. winning percentage over .500)...maybe. Are we defining success as .500 and marginal bowl qualification...likely. Are we defining success as just one more win than last season...not entirely out of the question. Gotta remember, it's not like the rest of the conference took a year off. Not to pee in the punchbowl, but thinking that "it can't get worse"...let's refer to some history of losing streaks: Northwestern...34 games, New Mexico State...27 games, Duke...23 games, Temple...20 games & Florida State...at 20 games. so although we may only win a handful of games per year, there's still plenty of room to put together multi-season losing streaks. And as long as we avoid that...we can paint with the 'success' brush. Best case scenario is 9 wins, but I will be happy at 7 wins and a bowl victory over a P5 like the year we best Clemson 9 wins? Have you watched a single game of our football team over the last two years? A bowl victory over a P5 like Clemson? Half-baked... Edited June 18, 2015 by USFbulls24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I have confidence that USF fans will bring a lot of hope to the first opening game. After that... well,... repeat the past two seasons Wish I could facepalm that post too, but unfortunately if the team lays a turd in the first couple games, I think in large he'll probably be right. Few of our fans have an appreciable patience buffer, helped by years of disappointment. For most, the glass is really half-empty in spite of trying to believe it's half-full. If we struggle, I can already feel the air letting out... Yep, I'll +1 you on the ass/u/me part of Bear's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptorcj Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Member Topic Count: 18 Content Count: 8,878 Reputation: 1,266 Days Won: 28 Joined: 07/12/2013 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Assuming "success in 2015" is defined as more wins than last year, the bar is set pretty low. Are we defining success as winning the conference championship? Not going to happen. Are we defining success as making it to the conference championship? No, again not going to happen. Are we defining success as a winning season (e.g. winning percentage over .500)...maybe. Are we defining success as .500 and marginal bowl qualification...likely. Are we defining success as just one more win than last season...not entirely out of the question. Gotta remember, it's not like the rest of the conference took a year off. Not to pee in the punchbowl, but thinking that "it can't get worse"...let's refer to some history of losing streaks: Northwestern...34 games, New Mexico State...27 games, Duke...23 games, Temple...20 games & Florida State...at 20 games. so although we may only win a handful of games per year, there's still plenty of room to put together multi-season losing streaks. And as long as we avoid that...we can paint with the 'success' brush. Best case scenario is 9 wins, but I will be happy at 7 wins and a bowl victory over a P5 like the year we best Clemson 9 wins? Have you watched a single game of our football team over the last two years? A bowl victory over a P5 like Clemson? Half-baked... He doesn't have as big a stake in it--being a gator grad keeps him from taking it all too personally. Cut him some slack, at least it's optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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