OhioBull

No, not what I’m saying. I don’t believe CJS can teach them to win. He can put them in the best position to win (I do agree he has not always succeeded in this). Winning needs to come internally. The team has to figure it out. Someone who plays on the field has to lead them most likely. Coaches can only do so much. That’s the point.

I hardly post but I have to in this case. There is honestly way more negativity after yesterday’s W than I could have imagined. I have 24 years of coaching experience and I can tell you from first hand knowledge it is extremely difficult as a coach to build a winning culture regardless of the talent of the players. Winning begets winning and losing begets losing. It becomes part of a programs identity. Teams with low talent can win because of their own expectations to win and resulting grit and talented teams can lose for the same reason. Everyone on our field, with few exceptions, has experienced some sort of defeat. Either at USF or failing to succeed at their prior program. Maybe they lost a starting position and that also results in a loss of confidence. I truly believe we have talent but we also have a losing culture. What we need is a break through. CJS can preach we are winners to the players all day long but until the team produces and breaks through with a big W the culture won’t change. Give it a break negative nellies. If you haven’t been a part of what is going on don’t talk as if you do. Yes, we all want to win, and I believe we will. Keep cheering and hoping and supporting and we will turn the corner. That turn could be fast and furious or it could be a slow grind. Trust the process. Instant gratification isn’t always the best policy. Go Bulls

Very little. These changes are mere formalities except for pruning the trees of dead wood

What I see happening is the creation of 3 levels with close to 40 teams each. The BiG and SEC will have 20 teams each making up 40. A mid tier with the remnants of the power 5 conferences and possibly some add-on teams like our beloved Bulls making up two more mega conferences of 20 each. Then a bottom tier with the rest. Something like this. All the powerhouse programs are consolidating power and money and we are being left out, but we aren’t the only ones. Lots of previous power 5 teams will be left out as well and pushed down to mid tier. That’s the way it was in reality anyway. This just formalizes things.

What I saw was Timmy has a good arm and when he has a good read can throw a pretty good ball. His problem was youth and not being a great reader of defenses. That will come with time. He will/would make a big jump in this in his sophomore season I'm sure but will it be enough to catch GB?? GB was surrounded by better talent around the field and placing him here might not yield the jump many think. If you put QB TMcC what would it look like? We don't know. TMcC might be better stacked side by side with GB. That is a very real possibility. It isn't easy to compare two QB's from two different teams. There is team chemistry and chemistry with the receivers, OL talent, scheme, and so on. It isn't as cut and dry as we might think. I seriously believe GB starting is far from a done deal at this point and I hope CJS doesn't just hand him the job.

My guess is that Murphy hits the portal at the end of this year and the team hits the cellar yet again. Of course, we are already in the cellar so I'm not sure where else we can go.

Lots of negativity from people who have no idea how this is going to work out. Just because someone is "up and coming" doesn't mean a hill of beans. They could turn out to be a big dud. Coaches are a crap shoot. They can be super successful at one place and not so great at another. I'll reserve my judgment until they hit the field and we see. If he sucks I'll be glad to admit it. Until then, chill out you negative nellies.

I'm a no on Penix as well. Living in Ohio I see a lot of Big Ten games and he is no better than McClain, in my opinion. Let's stick with Timmy and develop some of these freshmen QB's.

Watched a bunch of this...great analysis.

I think people need to be patient. There are so many new faces and I am sure it is going to take time to gel even if there is a lot of talent. Be patient.

Don't post much but wanted to add my 2 cents. I religiously watch our Bulls and I can definitely say that we are much, much better this year than last year. When is the last time we were totally out of a game? When I tune in what I see is a team that is competitive. We haven't really gotten over the hump but when I watch the games I am seriously entertained and when we get down I know that we will get that big play and the score to stay in it. In reality, what is happening, is that we are a victim of not having 3 strong units. The special teams unit has been outstanding. The offense is young, but talented. Our youth is making us a bit erratic but we are very talented and next year that unit is going to be lethal. The defense just cannot consistently stop the other team. We get off the field occasionally but not very often. It is just a lack of depth and talent. There just isn't much that can be done about it. What this reality does is force us to play for a shoot-out against good teams...similar to what we did against Houston. The problem is that we can't win in an absolute shoot-out because our offense isn't unstoppable at this point. Next year...maybe. Not this year for sure. So, the reality is, we are going to lose most games against decent teams. When you can't stop anyone and you can't score yourself with most every possession of the ball then you are going to lose. That's just the truth. What's the point? Enjoy the competitive games this year but don't expect to win too many of them at all. It isn't going to happen. Next year and the year after expect to win...and we will.

So much so that a 1990 graduate that lives in North Central and may never be able to go to a game just put a deposit down on 2 season tickets. Go figure that logic. It's because I have been moved off dead center to finally put my money where my mouth is. I am an AVID Bulls fan but I never have supported the program other than an occasional game here and there. Now, for the first time ever, I am feeling it. We will not recognize this program in 4 years. Mark it down.

Who did you contact? I tried for the first time as well and called a number i found on the internet about season tickets and no one called me back . I’m new to the process as well and was shocked when no one called me back. If other people have had this trouble no wonder our ticket sales are down

I’m there. Flying in from Ohio with my son and also a friend from University of Toledo who has become a fan!! I would expect a big crowd.

I like the hire. Let's get this ball rolling.

I rarely if ever comment on this board though I frequent it every day. I enjoy the comments and the fact that we are all passionate about USF and the athletics programs at the school. But this thread absolutely takes the cake and is so bush league. Listen fellow USF lovers, this guy misrepresented himself and kudos to USF for calling him on it. This doesn't make USF look bad, this makes us awesome. That our school wants to do it right and anything else will not be tolerated. If I was a potential coach I would want to come and coach here all the more. We will find a great coach. Calm down

I was at the game. Davis CLEARLY gave up on those two pass plays and they should have been caught. It was up on the big board and all 3 of my friends who did not go to USF commented. The boy should be sat, regardless of talent.

Guys, I am convinced that DW is going after his man and we have no idea who it is. The only thing I know at this point is that we are all going to be surprised when it comes out. I think we just need to hang tight and trust DW...he will not lead us astray. He wants a winner in USF basketball and that is what we are going to get!

I fell prey to the dark side last week. Now I am firmly planted with not even a shred of the good side of the force with me. CRM must go! 8-) (the shades are symbolic of my darth vader mask)

exactly.  troy had absolutely no time to do anything last night.  its not his fault his line had absolutely no containment on uf's defensive ends.  and ohiobull, how in the hell is usc less than stellar?  were you watching the same rose bowl i was? Uh, who was USC playing.  Oh yea, Michigan.  And who did Michigan beat this year that shows they are a good team.  Well, they did play Notre Dame.  Oh  yea, not a good team.  They did beat a good Wisconsin team.  But winning one game does not make a great season. And I was not the one who started the comparisons between QB's.  My point is to end the discussion.  I live in Ohio and all I heard the last few weeks was OSU this, OSU that, Troy Smith this, Troy Smith that, and then I get on USF's beloved message board a few weeks back and people are talking about taking TS over MG.  Sorry, but I lost my cool.  I knew OSU played no one this year and I knew that Troy Smith was overrated.  Bottom line, Troy Smith is a good QB but he is far from the best QB in the nation.  Point proven the other night.  And frankly, like I said, I would not take Troy Smith over MG even if he had a good game the other night.  I wish people would just be thrilled, over-joyed with who we have as our QB and shut their traps about taking someone else over him.  If you haven't noticed, our sophmore QB is listed at #25 on the heisman list for next year.  We have something good going on and the other schools are the ones who should be saying that they would take MG over their QB...not the other way around.

I think it may be the opposite...UF's championship will help USF. How you ask. Because Florida, like Miami did, will be more inclined to go out of state to get the really big fish. In so doing they will lose more and more of their own back yard. USF needs to remember this lesson. We need to own our area and get the good Florida players to stay home. Did you see that Florida speed vs. that Ohio speed. I don't think so. USF will pick up a few more Florida studs while Florida goes outside the state. This will only help us.

Ok, about a month ago there was some discussion about taking Troy Smith over Grothe. I said there is no way that I would take Troy Smith over Grothe. I stated, and accurately I might add, that Troy Smith was severely overrated and so was Ohio State. I clearly made the argument that Ohio State had not beaten anyone this year. I outlined how Ohio State had beaten Texas...big deal. Rutgers dismantled Kansas State who beat Texas. Michigan turned out to be way overrated as well and was dismanted by a less than stellar USC team. Now, where are these people who said I was crazy. Come on, lets hear it. TROY SMITH IS AND WAS OVERRATED. He threw off of his back foot all night, even when he wasn't pressured. He missed reads, didn't step into the pocket, and on and on and on. I will give you that Florida's defense was awesome last night but the bottom line is that Troy Smith is not the best quarterback in the nation and Ohio State isn't even close to the best team in the nation. In fact, would they even be in the top 10...I doubt it. I would fancy to say that USF played a harder schedule then OSU this year. Bottom line for all you "the grass is greener on the other side" people. Matt Grothe is an absolutely awesome quarterback and he would have proved that last night against the Gators. Just be happy with who we have at the helm and look forward to next year. Stop looking at what other teams have and start looking at the diamond in our own back yard. Someone needs to eat some crow here. Come on...it tastes good. Go Bulls!

I have to admit it...I have given into the hatred and the fear. I have been seduced by the dark-side. I am a very patient guy and sat through some absolutely horrible years in the mid-to-late 80's waiting for Radenko Dobras to give us new life. But we are past hope here. This is not the SunBelt Conference and we need some big guns. Let me just say it plainly, we need a new coach with a PROVEN record of bringing in some big horses. Money or not, we need to compete. Let's get it done, NOW! Oh, I feel so ashamed. I didn't think this day would ever come. :'(

I wouldn't believe the hype of this article. You did see how Louisville did without Brohm earlier in the year didn't you? They are stacked a couple deep at every position. This team will be good / great next year with or without these players thay may leave early. The article was from a wishful thinkful in my opinion. Louisville is here to stay.

Who here watched the WV - Rutgers game on Saturday night? What a game! I think the backup QB for WV was absolutely outstanding for a RS Freshman. It looks like WV is going to be stacked at that position for years to come. In some ways he looked like a more polished passer than PW and was also a bruising runner. A little bigger than PW. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't trade Grothe for him but he did do a nice job.