My Plan to Save USF...

[Plantation Pete]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

Edited October 30, 2012 by Plantation Pete

[Plantation Pete]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

If Arkansas State can get Gus Malzahn to make the jump, then USF can certainly find a successful coordinator to make the jump.

Gus is currently 5-3 at ASU and has yet to prove himself successful, but he played at Arkansas, coached high school in Arkansas, coached college in Arkansas, so he may make the jump yet.

Maybe USF should hire a Florida guy...oh, wait...

wait what? plenty of good coaches with florida ties would take the job too. one of them in particular has a masters from usf, coached here and has apprenticed under the best offensive mind in college helping run 3 different top 5 offenses in the last decade.

I think the sarcasm was too subtle for you.

[hbryan]

How much more do we have to put up with Peckerhead Pete? Some dusty old fart whose only claim to fame concerning college football is knowing a coach who was once a Div 1 head coach. Dude, you managed barbacks and busboys for a living, you know as much about college football as I do abouut interplanetary travel. Why don't you pop a couple of your Viagra's and head to the bingo parlor and give us a break from your incessant pontifications of something you only know from watching on TV. You're a bigger clown than our current head coach Chuckles.

Edited October 30, 2012 by hbryan

[Bull94]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

tell that to UF or Miss State or UL or Georgia or FSU or ... or OU or TCU or Boise State or Oregon or Clemson

Edited October 30, 2012 by Bull94

[Plantation Pete]

How much more do we have to put up with Peckerhead Pete? Some dusty old fart whose only claim to fame concerning college football is knowing a coach who was once a Div 1 head coach. Dude, you managed barbacks and busboys for a living, you know as much about college football as I do abouut interplanetary travel. Why don't you pop a couple of your Viagra's and head to the bingo parlor and give us a break from your incessant pontifications of something you only know from watching on TV. You're a bigger clown that our current head coach Chuckles.

No, actually I've had close relationships with three current and former D-1 head coaches. And I just didn't manage barbacks and busboys, I managed the entire world famous club...all 80,000 square feet of it where $12,000 would be a really slow night.

[Plantation Pete]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

tell that to UF or Miss State or UL or Georgia or FSU or ...

Muschamp was previously an assistant head coach for the Dolphins and head coach in waiting at Texas. Charlie Strong was previously an interim head coach and assistant head coach.

But...

For every successfull one you can name I can name 6 or 8 complete failures. It's all about measured risk.

[Bull94]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

tell that to UF or Miss State or UL or Georgia or FSU or ...

Muschamp was previously an assistant head coach for the Dolphins and head coach in waiting at Texas. Charlie Strong was previously an interim head coach and assistant head coach.

But...

For every successfull one you can name I can name 6 or 8 complete failures. It's all about measured risk.

assistant head coach is different from a coordinator, how? because they gave him some title? head coach in waiting?? really?? interim head coach. big deal he coached the peach bowl when Zook was fired. that really is a stretch.

like I said every single head coach was either a coordinator or position coach before he was a head coach. even the successful ones. I wasn't a fan of the Holtz hire. I wanted calvin magee. Holtrz record was less than impressive. I'm fine with a successful coach at a lower level. didn't say we should exclude them but i don't think we need one. I didn't think Holtz was all that successful even though he won c-usa. his best record was 9-5. not impressive. I don't think we have to have a head coach though. 5 of the current top 10 programs hired a coordinator as their head coach. hell clemson's OC is the highest paid in college football and he was a high school coach 2 years ago. experience means very little. programs don't feel obligated to hire grey beards anymore.

Edited October 30, 2012 by Bull94

[Bullshiznitz]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

Then what exactly is a "highly successful head coach at a smaller school" then? The ONLY highly successful mid-majors over the past 10 years have been Boise, Utah and TCU. Patterson has been at TCU forever, and while Urban Meyer moving up turned out to be highly successful, Dan Hawkins moving up was a complete epic failure.

Brian Kelly wasn't "highly" successful before moving to Cincy, and that turned out alright. Point being mid-major hires can be just as much of a crapshoot as hiring the top coordinators (re-tread coaches the same thing).

Edited October 30, 2012 by Bullshiznitz

[Plantation Pete]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

Then what exactly is a "highly successful head coach at a smaller school" then? The ONLY highly successful mid-majors over the past 10 years have been Boise, Utah and TCU. Patterson has been at TCU forever, and while Urban Meyer moving up turned out to be highly successful, Dan Hawkins moving up was a complete epic failure.

Brian Kelly wasn't "highly" successful before moving to Cincy, and that turned out alright. Point being mid-major hires can be just as much of a crapshoot as hiring the top coordinators (re-tread coaches the same thing).

Brian Kelly wasn't "highly" successful?? The folks at Grand Valley State and Central Michigan would disagree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Kelly_%28coach%29

[Bullshiznitz]

we need a good young coordinator from a top program or a good young, very successful(not moderately successful) coach from a lower tier program that can recruit the state. plenty out there. no retreads please.

Again, reality check...A good, young coordinator from a top program will have offers from "super models" so why would they jump into bed with the skinny, knock-kneed girl with braces and acne?

And no, there are not plenty of them out there. Very few coordinators can make the transition to HC successfully. HC is a whole different job requiring completely different skill sets. Just because a coach is good with Xs and Os does not mean they will be a good HC.

I get it. you don't like USF. there are plenty of coordinators at top 10 programs both offensive and defensive that would jump at this job.

I get HC is different. didn't seem to hurt muschamp or mullen or strong or... from making the transition.

Doug Marrone...Derek Dooley...Kevin Wilson...DeWayne Walker...Danny Hope...Ron Prince...Norm Chow...Jeff Quinn...Joker Phillips...Frank Spaziani...Carl Pelini...John Embree...Dan Enos...David Bailiff...

every single head coach was a coordinator at some point. even the successful ones genius. their first jobs weren't as head coaches. hell sometimes position coaches make the jump like Urban Meyer.

Uh-huh...And that's why it's better to hire a coach that's already highly successful as a head at a smaller school. And I don't consider Holtz' previous resume as highly successful, so his failure is no big surprise to me. I thought it was telling he was 1-3 in bowl games at ECU.

Then what exactly is a "highly successful head coach at a smaller school" then? The ONLY highly successful mid-majors over the past 10 years have been Boise, Utah and TCU. Patterson has been at TCU forever, and while Urban Meyer moving up turned out to be highly successful, Dan Hawkins moving up was a complete epic failure.

Brian Kelly wasn't "highly" successful before moving to Cincy, and that turned out alright. Point being mid-major hires can be just as much of a crapshoot as hiring the top coordinators (re-tread coaches the same thing).

Brian Kelly wasn't "highly" successful?? The folks at Grand Valley State and Central Michigan would disagree with you.

http://en.wikipedia....n_Kelly_(coach)

He was an amazing 19-16 at Central Michigan. How is that "highly successful", but what Skip did at ECU wasn't?