This is why I still believe in Skip

[Mission9]

You believe in Skippypoo, and I will believe in the Easter Bunny. We will both have issues and end up with a rotton egg for our efforts.

[TrujilloBull2013]

just so we are clear-- the ship was fine when he got here. The then 12 year old program he inherited wasn't a teardown or a rebuild-- it was a solid program in place.

so any "righting of the ship" is to fix damage he has made himself or if not him, damage from a lack of maintaining/improving what was in place.

i'm calling ********.

hindsight is 20/20, especially with the way Holtz has tanked, but i recall a good plurality of this forum agreeing that Leavitt couldn't get over the 4-win hump in conference play and expressing frustration at the yearly pattern of winning our first 4, 5 or even 6 OOC games only to go on 3+ game skids in conference and finishing every season somewhere 5-8 at the bottom of the BE instead of 1-4 at the top.

there were also significant percentage of people frustrated by the repeated half-ass bowl games we kept going to as a result of our mid-season collapses, and the inability to win any SIGNIFICANT bowl games against BCS-conference teams. take the drubbing in the SunBowl by a 4th string QB, for example. and while nobody was furious that we didnt win our first ever bowl game against NCSt, in retrospect it had become another pattern in Leavitt's resume of being unable to beat BCS teams in bowl games.

there was also MORE than enough criticism of Leavitt's nepotism and insistence on hiring less-than-adequate coordinators from within. Rod Smith, Chico, Gregory.

with the program at it's lowest point NOW, looking back on the Leavitt days seems like utopian paradise. kinda like the girl who's madly in love with a guy who chokeslaps and headbutts her, finally leaves, then finds herself lonely and bored by the vanilla boyfriends who came afterwards... but the reality is he had his share of criticism. let's not be revisionists.

[TrujilloBull2013]

Two negatives equates to a doubly bad coach and his record so far bears this out.

we are 15-16 under Holtz.

good? not hardly. what we want or expected? absolutely not.

doubly bad? no.

this forum is full of hyperbole.

[usfgrad84]

Spurrier was the head coach of Duke.

Skip earned the shot. He needs to turn it around quickly. Period.

[tampabull]

did you read the whole article

[MikeG]

just so we are clear-- the ship was fine when he got here. The then 12 year old program he inherited wasn't a teardown or a rebuild-- it was a solid program in place.

so any "righting of the ship" is to fix damage he has made himself or if not him, damage from a lack of maintaining/improving what was in place.

i'm calling ********.

hindsight is 20/20, especially with the way Holtz has tanked, but i recall a good plurality of this forum agreeing that Leavitt couldn't get over the 4-win hump in conference play and expressing frustration at the yearly pattern of winning our first 4, 5 or even 6 OOC games only to go on 3+ game skids in conference and finishing every season somewhere 5-8 at the bottom of the BE instead of 1-4 at the top.

there were also significant percentage of people frustrated by the repeated half-ass bowl games we kept going to as a result of our mid-season collapses, and the inability to win any SIGNIFICANT bowl games against BCS-conference teams. take the drubbing in the SunBowl by a 4th string QB, for example. and while nobody was furious that we didnt win our first ever bowl game against NCSt, in retrospect it had become another pattern in Leavitt's resume of being unable to beat BCS teams in bowl games.

there was also MORE than enough criticism of Leavitt's nepotism and insistence on hiring less-than-adequate coordinators from within. Rod Smith, Chico, Gregory.

with the program at it's lowest point NOW, looking back on the Leavitt days seems like utopian paradise. kinda like the girl who's madly in love with a guy who chokeslaps and headbutts her, finally leaves, then finds herself lonely and bored by the vanilla boyfriends who came afterwards... but the reality is he had his share of criticism. let's not be revisionists.

call it BS all you want

you can go on and on about what Leavitt couldn't get done

but the bottom line is he won plenty of games-- maybe not conference games. but he was a winner

he did not get fired for failing to win (supposedly). That means when he left-- there was a working system here in place-- a winning team, attitude, and players.

What does Holtz do? Starts talking crap about how he needs to fix the way things are done. I CALL BS ON THAT

What needed to be changed was all on the field and in particular what we were doing in conference games.

Not only has Skip failed at what needed to be done-- he has proceeded to destroy any winning culture we had going for us.

bottom line-- I thought the Leavitt firing was BS -- they could have worked something out. But someone wanted his ass gone and they got their wish. Maybe they even wanted Skippy at the helm-- don't really care anymore. It's all f**ked up now and I'm pissed.

[TrujilloBull2013]

LOL ^^ to quote a great mind on this forum "let me go cry myself to sleep... jesus-- get a life."

[TrujilloBull2013]

but he was a winner

what did we win with Leavitt? a conference championship? a decent bowl game? what?

oh, the International Bowl, Pizza Bowl and JackMagic bowl. WOOOOHOOOO!!! WHAT A WINNER!!!

[MikeG]

did you read the whole article

I finally read it

not sure how I feel about it

kind of like the team right now

[MikeG]

but he was a winner

what did we win with Leavitt? a conference championship? a decent bowl game? what?

oh, the International Bowl, Pizza Bowl and JackMagic bowl. WOOOOHOOOO!!! WHAT A WINNER!!!

let's agree to disagree