"If we're 11-1, but we have 50 guys arrested and 10 guys on academic probation, do you want that?''

[Cow Pie]

Depends.

[mviusa]

Well, that's almost like saying "Hitler built some great roadways ..."

you know what happens when you compare someone to Hitler...

but seriously...

I get what everyone is saying here. Take a little of both. I want a coach who wants good kids and is concerned about making them a better person than a better football player but i also want a coach who is confident enough in his ability as a Leader to take a lost cause and make him find some meaning in his life.

lets just not stack our roster with a gang of JuCo kids or kids that came to USF because they couldnt get in anywhere else.

Leavitt did that but pretty much because he had to when we were d-2 or c-usa.

Holtz is here for a different reason. Glad he knows that.

USF never played D-2 football.

[GaUSFBull]

Well, that's almost like saying "Hitler built some great roadways ..."

you know what happens when you compare someone to Hitler...

but seriously...

I get what everyone is saying here. Take a little of both. I want a coach who wants good kids and is concerned about making them a better person than a better football player but i also want a coach who is confident enough in his ability as a Leader to take a lost cause and make him find some meaning in his life.

lets just not stack our roster with a gang of JuCo kids or kids that came to USF because they couldnt get in anywhere else.

Leavitt did that but pretty much because he had to when we were d-2 or c-usa.

Holtz is here for a different reason. Glad he knows that.

USF never played D-2 football.

1-AA (2 A), which is what I would guess most people mean when they say d-2 football.