Does Anyone Understand The Offense?

[usfgrad84]

So far BJ really looks lost. That fact we have beaten to death.

Its not all on BJ. It starts with the OL. Gave up 5 sacks last night. A last week. The announcers made a comment toward the end of the game that they weren't surprised from what they saw on film. That the OL line slides were out of synch.

we changed the offense 3 times last night. 2 times after we moved the ball successfully. Why go away from it?  Plancher was running well. Why go away from it?  Why don't we do anything off the successful running to open things up? 

If you are trying to get Lamar into space why run that sweep to him toward the crowded and short side of the field? 

When you need less than a yard for first down, why do you drop the QB 4 or 5 yards deep into a shotgun when the defense only has 3 guys on the LOS and they were spread out?

On the INT before halftime, not only was the decision to not take a knee there stupid, but why on earth would you send your receivers 20 yards downfield in that situation when you haven't done that in the last two games. When you know the defense is not going to give up a big play, why even invite disaster there?  On the play, game management fail. Play call fail and QB fail big time.

Why doesn't Shaw get more touches?  Do we have TEs on this team?  Why did we waste a scholarship on Gidrey?

What happened to the options?

Canales called more passes to the TEs and RBs than Fitch does.

Again, we ran the read option somewhat successfully last year. When we have run it so far its done ok this year. Most of BJs runs were not zone reads just straight runs.

I don't get what we are trying to do here. There doesn't seem to be a gameplan. Just a trial by error.

[SQuinn17]

The lack of creativity and improvisation in our game plan bothers me more than BJ's play. Why do we throw 20 now screens and hitch routes when we were finally having success running the ball? How about getting Lamar into the game plan, since he's about the most explosive player we have. I realize our lack of talent at the skill positions, but come on.

[Orlando Bull]

1. Agree with you on Gidrey, the only time he has made an impact is with 4-5 false starts (usually in the red zone), Also agree that Shaw should get more touches, but we had 29 running plays, 25 were BJ and Mo (who had a great game, so I wouldn't want to reduce his touches). Shaw had one, Eveld's sack was one, and Lamar had 2. There weren't a lot of touches to distribute.

2. OL is not that bad. BJ can't read a blitz and then beat it. Defense doesn't have to keep all of their DBs and LBs back because they are worried about getting beat on the pass

3. You run the hitch routes and WR screens to spread out the defense and keep them from crashing the line of scrimmage on the run. You can't run without some sort of passing game. Clearly a conventional passing game isn't going to work with BJ as our QB, so the coaching staff was trying to figure out a way to keep WVU honest.

4. The call at the end of the half... sure, you could take a knee, hind sight, probably the best thing to do. However, if your QB can't run a 2 min offense, then you're not going to win any games against a decent team. You can't win by sitting on the ball. It was a very safe play call. BJ rolled out and could run, or, the pass was thrown to a WR running a route toward the sideline. BJ doesn't even have to read the WR, the mission on that pass is to throw the ball to the sideline. The WR either catches it, or it's OB. BJ threw behind the WR who had a step on the defender. Poor pass on what should have been a very safe play call.

Sorry, I am not down on the coaches, I am not down on the OL, WRs, RBs. The defense is pretty lights out right now. One guy is holding us back. The coaches have tried power I, they have tried spread, they have tried read-option. BJ can't execute anything they ask him to. It's time for a change.

[Bull94]

1. Agree with you on Gidrey, the only time he has made an impact is with 4-5 false starts (usually in the red zone), Also agree that Shaw should get more touches, but we had 29 running plays, 25 were BJ and Mo (who had a great game, so I wouldn't want to reduce his touches). Shaw had one, Eveld's sack was one, and Lamar had 2. There weren't a lot of touches to distribute.

2. OL is not that bad. BJ can't read a blitz and then beat it. Defense doesn't have to keep all of their DBs and LBs back because they are worried about getting beat on the pass

3. You run the hitch routes and WR screens to spread out the defense and keep them from crashing the line of scrimmage on the run. You can't run without some sort of passing game. Clearly a conventional passing game isn't going to work with BJ as our QB, so the coaching staff was trying to figure out a way to keep WVU honest.

4. The call at the end of the half... sure, you could take a knee, hind sight, probably the best thing to do. However, if your QB can't run a 2 min offense, then you're not going to win any games against a decent team. You can't win by sitting on the ball. It was a very safe play call. BJ rolled out and could run, or, the pass was thrown to a WR running a route toward the sideline. BJ doesn't even have to read the WR, the mission on that pass is to throw the ball to the sideline. The WR either catches it, or it's OB. BJ threw behind the WR who had a step on the defender. Poor pass on what should have been a very safe play call.

Sorry, I am not down on the coaches, I am not down on the OL, WRs, RBs. The defense is pretty lights out right now. One guy is holding us back. The coaches have tried power I, they have tried spread, they have tried read-option. BJ can't execute anything they ask him to. It's time for a change.

2 minute offense?? there was 50 seconds left and we were inside our 20. there are more QBs in the NFL that can't make that drive then can make it. do the coaches think we will drive 70 yards for a FG attempt.

I count sacks as passes. we had 24 runs and averaged 3.75 ypc(after subtracting sacks). some of those runs were actually called pass plays that Bj managed to gain a few yards on. we passed the ball 38 times (including sacks). that is not the strength of our offense. when you backs average 5.6 yards per carry and only get 12 carries then it's on the play callers.

[USF Stud]

1. Agree with you on Gidrey, the only time he has made an impact is with 4-5 false starts (usually in the red zone), Also agree that Shaw should get more touches, but we had 29 running plays, 25 were BJ and Mo (who had a great game, so I wouldn't want to reduce his touches). Shaw had one, Eveld's sack was one, and Lamar had 2. There weren't a lot of touches to distribute.

2. OL is not that bad. BJ can't read a blitz and then beat it. Defense doesn't have to keep all of their DBs and LBs back because they are worried about getting beat on the pass

3. You run the hitch routes and WR screens to spread out the defense and keep them from crashing the line of scrimmage on the run. You can't run without some sort of passing game. Clearly a conventional passing game isn't going to work with BJ as our QB, so the coaching staff was trying to figure out a way to keep WVU honest.

4. The call at the end of the half... sure, you could take a knee, hind sight, probably the best thing to do. However, if your QB can't run a 2 min offense, then you're not going to win any games against a decent team. You can't win by sitting on the ball. It was a very safe play call. BJ rolled out and could run, or, the pass was thrown to a WR running a route toward the sideline. BJ doesn't even have to read the WR, the mission on that pass is to throw the ball to the sideline. The WR either catches it, or it's OB. BJ threw behind the WR who had a step on the defender. Poor pass on what should have been a very safe play call.

Sorry, I am not down on the coaches, I am not down on the OL, WRs, RBs. The defense is pretty lights out right now. One guy is holding us back. The coaches have tried power I, they have tried spread, they have tried read-option. BJ can't execute anything they ask him to. It's time for a change.

Very well said! I agree 100%

[mikebeau]

The same guys that were pounding leavitt for sitting on the ball at half are begging holtz to do it. Lolz

[Bull94]

The same guys that were pounding leavitt for sitting on the ball at half are begging holtz to do it. Lolz

care to share a link?? I love when people make generalized statements about a message board and don't back it up.

anybody who passes the ball inside their own 20 with less than a minute left is an idiot. I don't care who the coach is.

it's happened twice now in crucial situations.

[BleedGreenAndGold]

1. Agree with you on Gidrey, the only time he has made an impact is with 4-5 false starts (usually in the red zone), Also agree that Shaw should get more touches, but we had 29 running plays, 25 were BJ and Mo (who had a great game, so I wouldn't want to reduce his touches). Shaw had one, Eveld's sack was one, and Lamar had 2. There weren't a lot of touches to distribute.

2. OL is not that bad. BJ can't read a blitz and then beat it. Defense doesn't have to keep all of their DBs and LBs back because they are worried about getting beat on the pass

3. You run the hitch routes and WR screens to spread out the defense and keep them from crashing the line of scrimmage on the run. You can't run without some sort of passing game. Clearly a conventional passing game isn't going to work with BJ as our QB, so the coaching staff was trying to figure out a way to keep WVU honest.

4. The call at the end of the half... sure, you could take a knee, hind sight, probably the best thing to do. However, if your QB can't run a 2 min offense, then you're not going to win any games against a decent team. You can't win by sitting on the ball. It was a very safe play call. BJ rolled out and could run, or, the pass was thrown to a WR running a route toward the sideline. BJ doesn't even have to read the WR, the mission on that pass is to throw the ball to the sideline. The WR either catches it, or it's OB. BJ threw behind the WR who had a step on the defender. Poor pass on what should have been a very safe play call.

Sorry, I am not down on the coaches, I am not down on the OL, WRs, RBs. The defense is pretty lights out right now. One guy is holding us back. The coaches have tried power I, they have tried spread, they have tried read-option. BJ can't execute anything they ask him to. It's time for a change.

I keep envisioning someone on the sideline crossing off potential schemes that BJ might be comfortable with.  Next week we're onto the wishbone.  After that it's just leather helmets and prayers.

[Skingraft]

I still come back to this....re-watch the game....there are WR open on ALL interceptions.....he throws to his primary read....the D only covers where he looks.....the announcers even saw that......its not the system....put it this way....

If the engine of an 18 wheeler came out of a Prius......how good would that be?

[Bull94]

I still come back to this....re-watch the game....there are WR open on ALL interceptions.....he throws to his primary read....the D only covers where he looks.....the announcers even saw that......its not the system....put it this way....

If the engine of an 18 wheeler came out of a Prius......how good would that be?

I understand the system will work but not with this personnel. Holtz said he would adapt his system to fit the personnel. he has not.