6-10 Big Man Andre Jackson is a Bull

[NormalBull]

He should sign the day before the Manatee game, so then he will be a Bull. 

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[Triple B]

He should sign the day before the Manatee game, so then he will be a Bull.   

Normal

Then a great big hug would be in order .... EXCEPT, I have the Manatee game being the same day as the first day he can sign, Nov 10th. 

[Paisa el Toro]

And of course remember that he really isn't a Bull until he signs so all the rules about contact still apply ... 

So you couldn't just tell the kid that he made a wise choice or glad to have him playing for us if you happened to bump into him at a basketball game? I'm not very well-versed in the rules about contact.

[Triple B]

And of course remember that he really isn't a Bull until he signs so all the rules about contact still apply ... 

So you couldn't just tell the kid that he made a wise choice or glad to have him playing for us if you happened to bump into him at a basketball game? I'm not very well-versed in the rules about contact.

Here's the Compliance Q & A's from our website:

Prospective Student Athletes

Q. How long is a prospective student-athlete considered to be a prospect?

A. A prospective student-athlete remains a prospect even after committing to or signing a National Letter of Intent with University of South Florida or any institution, and both the institution and the prospect continue to be governed by NCAA recruiting legislation regarding prospects until the prospect reports for regular squad practice or the prospect attends his/her first day of classes in any regular term.

Q. Is it permissible to contact a prospective student-athlete or his/her parents or legal guardians?

A. No. An athletic representative may not contact a prospect or his/her parents in person, by telephone or in writing. Contact may not be made with a prospect or his/her parents on or off the USF campus.

Q. Is this contact rule applicable to "established family friends" or neighbors?

A. No. However, it must be understood that such contacts cannot be made for recruiting purposes and cannot be initiated or arranged by USF coaching staff members. In addition, the established relationship between the booster and the prospect must have occurred prior to the friend or neighbor becoming a prospect.

Q. What if a prospect calls an athletic representative?

A. An athletic representative may have a telephone conversation with a prospect ONLY if the prospect initiates the call. Such a call may not be prearranged by an institutional staff member and the athletic representative may NOT have a recruiting conversation, but may exhibit normal civility. The athletic representative must refer any questions about the University's athletic program to the Athletic Department.

Q. What if a prospect knows that an athletic representative is a USF graduate and contacts him/her to ask questions about USF?

A. If a prospect contacts an athletic representative, he/she may answer questions regarding various aspects of USF as long as NO discussion takes place regarding the USF athletic program. If a prospect asks about USF athletics, refer him/her to the Athletic Department.

Q. What if unavoidable incidental contact is made with a prospect by an athletic representative?

A. An unavoidable incidental contact with a prospect is permissible provided the contact is not prearranged by the athletic representative or an Athletic Department staff member, does not take place on the grounds of the prospect's educational institution or at the sites of organized competition and practice involving the prospect or the prospect's team, is not made for the purpose of recruitment of the prospect, and involves only normal civility. The athletic representative must refer any questions about USF's athletic program to the Athletic Department.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to telephone a prospect once the prospect has committed to or signed a National Letter of Intent with University of South Florida?

A. No. Even if the purpose of the call is only to congratulate the prospect, he/she is still a prospect and the same contact rules apply after committing or signing that applied before. Do not contact a prospect for any reason without first checking with the Athletic Compliance Office, unless the prospect is a relative. 

Q. May an athletic representative contact a prospective student-athlete to discuss a summer job?

A. Yes, but ONLY AFTER the prospect has signed a National Letter of Intent to attend USF. A prospective student-athlete may not be employed until the completion of his/her senior year in high school. Additionally, any such contact must receive prior approval from the Athletic Department. When a prospect is employed, he/she must be paid only for work actually performed and at a rate commensurate with the going rate in that locality for similar services.

Q. May an athletic representative speak to a USF coach if a prospect is with the coach?

A. If a USF coach is with a prospect, do not approach the coach until the prospect and family have gone elsewhere. Otherwise the coach will be placed in an awkward situation because he/she will not be able to introduce the prospect to the athletic representative. If a prospect approaches an athletic representative on or off campus regarding the athletic program, explain that NCAA rules do not permit discussion of the athletic program. Refer the prospect to the appropriate USF coach.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to contact an enrolled student-athlete from another institution for the purpose of recruiting?

A. No. Student-athletes at other institutions are not allowed to be contacted for purposes of recruitment to USF.

Q. During recruitment, or prior to an individual's enrollment, can an athletic representative be involved directly or indirectly in making arrangements for a prospect, the prospect's relatives, or friends to receive money, financial aid, or equivalent inducements regardless if similar financial aid, benefits or arrangements are available to prospective students in general, their relatives or friends?

A. No. Furthermore, it would not be permissible to make such arrangements for current student-athletes at USF.

Q. What are considered other types of inducements that are prohibited for prospects, their relatives or friends?

A. Other types of inducements that are prohibited include, but are not limited to the following:

• cash or loans;

• promise of employment after college education;

• special discounts or payment arrangements on loans;

• employment of relatives or friends of prospect;

• involvement in arrangement for free or reduced charges for professional or personal services, purchases or charges;

• use of an automobile;

• providing transportation to or from a summer job or to any other site;

• signing or co-signing a note for a loan;

• the loan or gift of money or other tangible items (e.g., clothes, cars, jewelry, electronic/stereo equipment);

• gifts of any kind;

• guarantees of bond;

• purchases of items or services from a prospect or the prospect's family at inflated prices;

• providing directly or indirectly transportation to enroll in classes;

• any financial aid other than that administered by USF;

• the promise of financial aid for post graduate education;

• free or reduced cost housing arrangements;

• arrangement for or payment of transportation costs incurred by relatives or friends of a prospective student-athlete;

• entertainment of a prospect or prospect's family on or off campus;

• benefits connected with on or off campus housing (e.g., television sets or stereo equipment, specialized recreational facilities);

• tickets or admission to an athletic, institutional or community event;

• educational expenses (e.g., typing costs, course supplies, use of a copy machine);

• or registration fees for summer sports camps.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to bring to USF's attention outstanding prospects from the representative's local area?

A. Yes. An athletic representative may not, however, get involved in the actual evaluation of the talent of a prospect. In other words, an athletic representative may not contact a prospect's coach, principal, or counselor nor visit the prospect's educational institution to pick up film or transcripts pertaining to the evaluation of the prospect's athletic or academic abilities. In addition, an athletic representative cannot contact the prospect for purposes of soliciting the prospect's enrollment to USF and ultimate participation in athletics.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to accompany a USF coach when he/she visits the local high school campus?

A. No. If an athletic representative transports a USF coach from the airport to a high school campus, the athletic representative may not enter the high school with the coach and may not observe prospects.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to reimburse the coach of a prospect for expenses incurred in transporting a prospect to visit campus?

A. No.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to entertain high school, preparatory, or junior college coaches at any location?

A. No. However, it is permissible for USF to provide two complimentary admissions to the coaches to home athletic contests.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to provide transportation to or from campus or free admission to the institution's athletic events on or off campus to prospects, their friends or relatives?

A. No.

Q. Can a prospective student-athlete be announced or introduced at a USF function?

A. No. A prospective student-athlete may not be singled out, and must be treated in the same manner as any other high school senior in attendance. QUESTIONS RELATED TO CURRENT STUDENT-ATHLETES A student-athlete is a student whose enrollment was solicited by a member of the athletic staff with a view toward the student's ultimate participation in the intercollegiate athletic program. Any other student becomes a student-athlete only when the student reports for an intercollegiate squad that is under the jurisdiction of the athletic department. A student is not deemed a student-athlete solely on the basis of prior high school athletic participation.

Q. Can student-athletes be provided a benefit not available to the general student body?

A. No. Under NCAA rules, an extra benefit is any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a representative of the institution's athletics interests to provide a student-athlete or the student-athlete's relative or friend a benefit not expressly authorized by NCAA legislation. Receipt of a benefit by student-athletes or their relatives or friends is not a violation of NCAA legislation IF it is demonstrated that the same benefit is generally available to the institution's students or their relatives or friends or to a particular segment of the student body (e.g., foreign students, minority students, etc.) determined on a basis unrelated to athletic ability.

Q. What are some examples of benefits an athletic representative may not provide to student-athletes, their relatives or friends?

A. Types of extra benefits that are prohibited include, but are not limited to the following:

• cash or loans;

• special discounts or payment arrangements on loans;

• employment of relatives or friends of a student-athlete;

• involvement in arrangement for free or reduced charges for professional or personal services, purchases or charges;

• use of an automobile;

• providing transportation to or from a summer job or to any other site;

• signing or co-signing a note for a loan;

• the loan or gift of money or other tangible items (e.g., clothes, cars, jewelry, electronic/stereo equipment);

• gifts or awards of any kind;

• guarantees of bond;

• purchases of items or services from a student-athlete or the student-athlete's family at inflated prices;

• providing directly or indirectly transportation to enroll in classes;

• any financial aid other than that administered by USF;

• the promise of financial aid for post graduate education;

• free or reduced cost housing arrangements;

• arrangement for or payment of transportation or other costs incurred by relatives or friends of a student-athlete to visit the student-athlete or to attend any contest;

• entertainment of a student-athlete's family on or off campus;

• benefits connected with on or off campus housing (e.g., television sets or stereo equipment, specialized recreational facilities);

• tickets or admission to an athletic, institutional or community event;

• educational expenses (e.g., typing costs, course supplies, use of a copy machine);

• payment of any registration fees (e.g., tuition and fees, summer camps, etc.);

• payment to a student-athlete for use of his/her complimentary admissions;

• or receipt of payment for complimentary admissions sold to a third party when designated as the recipient of a complimentary admission by a student-athlete;

• use of or pay for long distance telephone calls, or the purchase of athletic apparel or awards from a student-athlete.

Q. Is it permissible for anyone to use the name or picture of an enrolled student-athlete to advertise, recommend or promote sales or use of a product or service of any kind?

A. No.

Q. Is it permissible for a student-athlete to receive any expenses for speaking to a booster club or civic organization?

A. A student-athlete may only accept transportation and meal expenses in conjunction with participation in a luncheon meeting of a booster club or civic organization, provided the meeting occurs within a 30 mile radius of the institution's main campus and no tangible award is provided to the student-athlete. If the luncheon is outside of the 30 mile radius, the student-athlete is not permitted to accept any transportation or meal expenses.

Q. Is it permissible for student-athletes to be involved in any type of promotional activities?

A. It is permissible for student-athletes to be involved in promotional activities for institutional, charitable, educational, or nonprofit agencies provided the activity is approved by USF's Athletic Director.

Q. Is it permissible for an athletic representative to employ a student-athlete?

A. A student-athlete receiving a grant-in-aid may now receive employment income during the academic year under various situations. Both the student-athlete and the employer must sign a written statement prior to beginning any employment during the academic year. All student-athletes may be employed during the institutional vacation and summer periods. Please note that student-athletes may be compensated only for work actually performed and at a rate commensurate with the going rate in that locality for similar services. If you employ student-athletes, you will be contacted to complete information regarding the employment.

Q. What action should an athletic representative take, if he/she becomes aware of a rules violation?

A. The athletic representative should contact the Athletic Compliance Office or the Athletic Director's Office to report and/or discuss the information pertinent to the violation. If the athletic representative wishes to remain anonymous, he/she can contact the Athletic Compliance Office or Athletic Director's Office to provide information without giving a name. The Athletic Compliance Office will review the information and process it as necessary.

Q. What should an individual do if he/she has a question about involvement with prospects, student-athletes, coaches or has any other NCAA or Conference rules question?

A. It is important to ASK BEFORE YOU ACT by contacting the University of South Florida Compliance Office at 813-974-2125.

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[Triple B]

And Paisa, for further clarification on who those rues are aimed at, also from our website ...

You are a representative of athletics’ interests if any of the following conditions have ever applied to you: you are, or were, a member of an agency, corporate entity, or other organization promoting USF's intercollegiate athletics program; you have made financial contributions to the athletics department (season ticket holder) or to a USF Athletics booster organization (the Bulls Club); or you are otherwise involved in promoting the USF Athletics program.

[Triple B]

He should sign the day before the Manatee game, so then he will be a Bull.   

Normal

UPDATE: He's still considered a "prospect" until he attends his first practice or class .... 

[Velcro]

And Paisa, for further clarification on who those rues are aimed at, also from our website ...

You are a representative of athletics’ interests if any of the following conditions have ever applied to you: you are, or were, a member of an agency, corporate entity, or other organization promoting USF's intercollegiate athletics program; you have made financial contributions to the athletics department (season ticket holder) or to a USF Athletics booster organization (the Bulls Club); or you are otherwise involved in promoting the USF Athletics program.

with that definition, then technically, even members of this board would be considered a representative, regardless if they have tickets or donate money.  This board promotes USF athletics, thus the members are members of an organization promoting usf athletics.  I know it a bit more gray since most are anonymous... but seems to be the case.

[Mama_Bull]

I watched his BB game online yesterday. He is still wearing a boot on his foot and did not play. His team, supposedly, willl be practiing at USF  this week, but he won't be making the road trip to Florida. He will concentrate instead on his classwork. His coach expects him to be out at least 3 weeks and will sign with USF as scheduled.

[Mama_Bull]

Perhaps, I should post this on the main board, since he's already signed, but I didn't want to start a new thread over there. The mods can move it, if they choose.

Just wanted to say that Andre just resumed playing and scored 13 points in his fist game back. He went 5-7 FG and 3-5 FT.

Here is a link to that game.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11514538

His coach talked about his return on the post game show.

[The Great 8]

and 3-5 FT.

He'll fit right in..