I'm losing faith in this program

[Held_AccountaBull]

we are still a young program  expectations were put to high 2 years ago........ we'll be fine long term

i love that excuse.

[bulldoze]

Looking at the roster, we have not built a good foundation like the other BE teams.  Too many transfers and JUCO players.  It works in the short term but the K-State model can't work forever.  Eventually you have to rely on high school talent.  Not as good in the short run but better long term.

[bulldozier1]

we are still a young program  expectations were put to high 2 years ago........ we'll be fine long term

ARE YOU FOR REAL!!!!!!!!!!! This got to be a joke.

[Bulls Are We]

we aren't lacking talent.  we've had the talent to beat ranked teams like Auburn, Kansas, West Virginia, FSU.  we had a top 25 recruiting class last year.

it's not talent.  it's poor coaching, plain and simple.

the only issue now is going to be minimizing the damage Leavitt does to this program and its credibility before his contract expires.

Why is it that our coaching staff looks good when we play the likes of UCF, Memphis, ECU, WKU, FAU, FIU or any other mid major?  Could it be because we have better players than those schools? 

You have it backwards.  The Auburn, Kansas, & FSU wins are the anomalies.  The real USF team you see week in and week out in BE play is the accurate measure of how good we really are. 

[BULL-UT]

we are still a young program  expectations were put to high 2 years ago........ we'll be fine long term

i love that excuse.

yeah, and clowns like yourself start talking bcs and national title game hopes when the bulls get to 6-0  :nope

[Carolina_Bull]

Simply put CJL doesn't deserve to be fired.

However, I would not be surprised to see CJL leave for KSU this year or next when his mentor retires again. . . . . . CJL definitely does a good enough job to avoid the pinkslip, but he certainly has gotten his last fat raise from USF.  If he is smart, he'll realize he can get two fat raises from KSU (the first when he is anointed successor by Saint Snyder and the second when he makes KSU a consistent 8-9 win team.  he will surely plateau again. . . . . . but he'll be in his sixties and laughing all the way to the bank.

Then he'll come back to FL and take a "builder" job at a school like Jacksonville University.

Assuming he occasionally looks out for himself (we all do) CJL's personal plan should be to emulate the career of Schnellenberger (Built Miami, went "home" to Louisville and washed up at FAU. . . . . . . . and laughed all the way to the bank).

[cmhatter]

Simply put CJL doesn't deserve to be fired.

However, I would not be surprised to see CJL leave for KSU this year or next when his mentor retires again. . . . . . CJL definitely does a good enough job to avoid the pinkslip, but he certainly has gotten his last fat raise from USF.  If he is smart, he'll realize he can get two fat raises from KSU (the first when he is anointed successor by Saint Snyder and the second when he makes KSU a consistent 8-9 win team.  he will surely plateau again. . . . . . but he'll be in his sixties and laughing all the way to the bank.

Then he'll come back to FL and take a "builder" job at a school like Jacksonville University.

Assuming he occasionally looks out for himself (we all do) CJL's personal plan should be to emulate the career of Schnellenberger (Built Miami, went "home" to Louisville and washed up at FAU. . . . . . . . and laughed all the way to the bank).

sounds reasonable... IMO leavitt plays out his contract at USF.

[BULLO12]

we are still a young program  expectations were put to high 2 years ago........ we'll be fine long term

i love that excuse.

Yep...I hear that excuse every year when we lose to Rutgers, Cincy, Pitt.  We will hear when we lose to Miami and we will lose to Miami. 

[bigworm]

we are still a young program  expectations were put to high 2 years ago........ we'll be fine long term

Leavitt needs more time.  Canales can't put in the whole offense with a Freshman QB.  We are only 13 years old.  One more win to 5 straight bowl games!  That's all a fan can hope for; those that want more are unrealistic.

[MikeG]

I see three parts to the situation and why some fans go nuts every single time we lose (or in this case, get our asses kicked)

1. we have talent-- but it isn't as good as some think. UF gets top ten classes every season-- EVERY SEASON. We barely cracked the top 25 in recruiting just last season and most of those kids have yet to see the field and won't have any impact for a few year (with the exception of Juco transfer JPP)

2. we lack experience - you cannot simply replace a four year starter like Grothe and not expect some problems. But it isn't just that position-- the offensive line is very green, other key positions are also either undersized or green. We have a handful of seniors who are contributing this season-- which should help us out in the long run (remember the last terrible losing season when we had a Mike Jenkins et al starting? By their senior season, that team was kicking ass (well, most of the time).

3. don't think in terms of 13 years - it's been really about 9 years of 1-A football, even less if you consider the BCS tag. No one said this was going to be a cakewalk but for some reason, people actually expect it to be based on the fallacy of item #1. I fully expect many more bumps in the road, along with some awesome wins that just leave some scratching their heads as to how we were able to do that. I have said this a thousand times-- people need to be more patient when it comes to this program. Jesse Palmer can talk out of his ass all he wants about how we have the talent to win etc-- but honestly, he is just flat out wrong about how this team should be expected to win the Big East. We are not there yet. Bringing in a new coach isn't the answer-- we can't afford that for one, a new regime is no guarantee of instant success, and anyone who might be able to bring that type of success is either too expensive or tied up at some other school. So what do you expect the AD to do--- fire Leavitt and bring in some completely unproven OC/DC from another school? Yeah-- that works EVERY TIME.

Honestly, I cannot understand how someone can say we won games against Auburn etc etc with talent alone, never giving the coaching staff any credit for anything good since that doesn't support their viewpoint of it's all on the coaches. Guess what? It is ALWAYS ON THE COACHES. They recruit the players, coach them, game plan for them, and are ultimately responsible. Is it one or two coaches specifically doing something wrong? I can't say but I still believe that CJL is the man to keep our trust in.

The loss hurts-- but I will not go crazy over how badly we lost. Same difference as a 1 point loss in the W-L column. BullyPulpit told me on the phone this was going to be Pitt all over again, and he was right. I think we have had this doom and gloom discussion for the weeks when we lost to Cincy and Pitt-- so I will just watch the implosion on this board from a distance. Why anyone thought our season was going to be a huge success after we lost Grothe still boggles the mind. The fact is that our team is fairly mediocre-- sometimes entertaining-- and occasionally suprising. But we are far from the most talented anything in the Big East or anywhere for that matter.