Jim Johnson Posted October 3, 2004 Group: TBP Subscriber III Topic Count: 1,834 Content Count: 5,482 Reputation: 1,795 Days Won: 13 Joined: 12/02/2018 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Look, we all know the problem here -- and CJL admits it.He also said that all the running in practice hasn't helped.I have a solution: bench them. For a play, a series, a quarter, or a game.Royals had a bad mental problem he took his helmet off, gave USM another 11 yards -- and coach left him in there!! Royals should have sat down - for the rest of the game for that dumb mistake.When one offensive lineman commits two holding penalties, he should be benched. Sit him down and make him think about why he is sitting.Believe me, any player that starts the game - or plays on a regular basis - will learn VERY quickly not to make such dumb mistakes if he doesn't get the chance to play.If we had an employee that made a mistake that could cost us $$, we would suspend or fire him/her immediately. However, Jim Leavitt bitches, moans, makes 'em run in practice, then lets them play anyway.Which is worse? A first string player who has mental breakdowns or a second string player with less ability??C'mon Coach - take 'em out and really punish them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofbull99 Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 114 Content Count: 6,744 Reputation: 912 Days Won: 17 Joined: 02/17/2002 Share Posted October 3, 2004 We will never be able to beat the top teams in any conference we play in unless we get the penalty issue under control. We are not Florida, FSU, or Miami we can't have 100+ yards of penalties and hope to win against the better teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcohio Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 90 Content Count: 468 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2003 Share Posted October 3, 2004 The players are on the field "doing" the stupid penalties, but the coach has to find a way to stop them. Benching - whatever - but, it's up to JL to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShoop Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 219 Content Count: 3,827 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/08/2003 Share Posted October 3, 2004 Good point Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake_Ryan Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 32 Content Count: 919 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/2001 Share Posted October 3, 2004 I agree - the penalties need to stop, especially from the upperclassmen. If you play freshmen and sophs, you have to expect mistakes, but the seniors should not be committing dumb penalties.Taking away playing time is the way to get the players attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULLheaded Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 37 Content Count: 1,480 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/2002 Share Posted October 3, 2004 well, during the thread about how sloppy we look with our jersyes hanging all out a few of us talked about how part of the problem could be that just a punishment isn't the solution. Maybe the coaches need to start instilling a sense of discipline and attention to detail in all facets. If the kids are hounded to be meticulous in everything they do and corrected continuously then we might see this sloppiness end. To bench them or make them run because of gameday mistakes without really instilling the discipline through practice or even into the personal life probably isn't ever going to be very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted October 3, 2004 all good points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky the Bull Posted October 3, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,036 Content Count: 7,521 Reputation: 1,127 Days Won: 10 Joined: 12/25/2001 Share Posted October 3, 2004 well, during the thread about how sloppy we look with our jersyes hanging all out a few of us talked about how part of the problem could be that just a punishment isn't the solution. Maybe the coaches need to start instilling a sense of discipline and attention to detail in all facets. If the kids are hounded to be meticulous in everything they do and corrected continuously then we might see this sloppiness end. To bench them or make them run because of gameday mistakes without really instilling the discipline through practice or even into the personal life probably isn't ever going to be very effective.Someone brought up the shirttail issue on the post game call-in show, stating that he thought that discipline starts with attention to detail. I tend to agree with that and also Jim's point about benching. Yes, it may hurt the team, but what do the penalties do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETKbull Posted October 4, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 10 Content Count: 226 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/05/2003 Share Posted October 4, 2004 ... and Army may be just the team to start benching players. I'm sure these guys are making the same penalities in practice, but are they getting called for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberBull Posted October 4, 2004 Group: Member Topic Count: 433 Content Count: 2,657 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/04/2000 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Let's not go overboard with bencing starters especially on the offensive line. While our OL second team is talented it is very young. If we bench our starters we have no chance to win. Until these guys are ready to play I would rather take my chances with the penalties and still stay in the game. While I too am frustrated with the penalties nobody is more frustrated than Jim Leavitt. If he had answer I don't think he would need us armchair QBs to point it out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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