Early line

[NinjaPenguin777]

13 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

Shotguns on 4th and 1 are just prone to more errors.  Tush push... or the "Brotherly shove" is the way to go.

Except I can only think of one time we've been successful using that formation this year and I believe it was late in the Navy game. We tried it against Bama and got stuffed. We tried it against Navy and got stuffed. We aren't a powe running team. Clearly we aren't equipped to do the rush push so why keep trying. We can gain yards from the gun which is the normal offense 

[olafberserker]

23 hours ago, flsportsfan83 said:

he may be playing with house money, that being said at this point this team has a shot at playing for a league title. A risk like that in one game could dash those hopes. I'm all for going for it on 4th down from near midfield or better. He has had more than 1 of these risks backfire this year. At some point if we keep playing with fire it is going to burn us.

so can playing scared

[Bull94]

14 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

No just always skeptical.  I don't think its a good idea to trust predictions without first understanding the data elements (relevant factors) being used.  For example, can an NFL model account for a college team that hasn't won a road game since 2019?  I would imagine NFL has a greater consistency of output. 

nah give me a risk taker as a coach any day of the week. there will always be a reason not to trust the math.

charlie strong would punt from the opponents 35.......

[Bull94]

1 minute ago, olafberserker said:

so can playing scared

absolutely.

not every risk will be rewarded but never taking a risk assures you to never be rewarded.

[IBulleve]

15 hours ago, Rocky Style said:

No, I don't believe they are sacred or just because a prediction model says you should do it that you should.  

I just think the reasoning to "be aggressive" is not enough. That argument was silly to me.

This is the correct take. Blindly following the analytics is just as bad as blindly opposing them. They’re a tool that should be used accordingly 

Edited October 3, 2023 by IBulleve

[Bull94]

3 minutes ago, IBulleve said:

This is the correct take. Blindly following the analytics is just as bad as blindly opposing them. They’re a tool that should be used accordingly 

if you don't follow them "blindly" then you are just using your gut.

the rays follow analytics "blindly". seems to be working out ok for them.

[IBulleve]

Just now, Bull94 said:

if you don't follow them "blindly" then you are just using your gut.

the rays follow analytics "blindly". seems to be working out ok for them.

Using a baseball teams approach to justify your opinion on football game theory is a wild take lol. 

 

[Bull94]

2 minutes ago, IBulleve said:

Using a baseball teams approach to justify your opinion on football game theory is a wild take lol. 

 

it's the way all successful sports organizations are run now. they all have analytics departments. even nfl teams.

nobody goes by their gut instincts anymore.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Bull94

[BDYZR]

3 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

it's the way all successful sports organizations are run now. they all have analytics departments. even nfl teams.

nobody goes by their gut instincts anymore.

Highly doubt that last comment is correct.

[Bull94]

Just now, BDYZR said:

Highly doubt that last comment is correct.

true. you're right.

only people who don't understand analytics or math still go with their gut