Jim Leavitt

[Bull Matrix]

1 minute ago, Bull94 said:

you really don't need to defend Leavitt's legacy by tearing down Taggart

It is possible and a fact that they were both good for us

Can also argue that Holtz did some good for USF. He beat Clemson, Notre Dame Miami. Won the Mieneke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte. 

[USFreak]

I think the point about Judy being a key donor is relevant.  But how many bigger donors has USF lost cow-towing to Judy? 

The problem is this program is in the gutter.  It is going to take a lot to resurrect it too.  What name do the Bulls pick up that is going to inject any life into this program?  They still play on Dale Mabry and a lot of the plans outlined require vision, money and on-field success.  Next year's AAC looks like a 6A Florida HS slate...and USF probably still won't win more than 2-3 games.

Leavitt probably wouldn't take the job if offered and USF is so stubborn they won't offer.  Sad for each as it is probably the only thing that breaks the Indian Burial ground curse.  But they'll take another run at some ACC or SEC also-ran and we'll be at the same place in 3 seasons with no OCS, an AAC losing record and less fans than a WNBA game.

Meanwhile, UCF is eating USF's lunch.  Malzahn seems like a legit long-term option for that team (has said multiple times his last coaching stop) and I see no reason things don't further improve for them with a Big12 conference home.  They certainly will out-recruit USF for years to come.  They have everything right now that we probably want and they did some bold things in the past to achieve them (certainly a few a little sketchy).

[Supersurch]

The only coach to truly and passionately care for this program.  Everyone else will use/have used South Florida as a stepping stone…to greener pastures and in many cases to a coaches’ graveyard.

He doesn’t want to come back even if admin begs him…I hope he proves me wrong.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Supersurch

[Bull94]

12 minutes ago, puc86 said:

First part sure, but we were a defense first ball control team (almost as if one was an LB and the other a QB) the second one not so much

 

Year	Round	Pick	Overall	Player	Team	Position
2001	4	1	96	Kenyatta Jones	New England Patriots	DT
	4	2	97	Anthony Henry	Cleveland Browns	DB
	4	3	98	Bill Gramatica	Arizona Cardinals	K
2003	2	15	47	Kawika Mitchell	Kansas City Chiefs	LB
	4	32	129	Shurron Pierson	Oakland Raiders	DE
	7	39	253	DeAndrew Rubin	Green Bay Packers	WR
2004	4	33	129	J. R. Reed	Philadelphia Eagles	DB
2007	4	10	109	Stephen Nicholas	Atlanta Falcons	LB
2008	1	25	25	Mike Jenkins	Dallas Cowboys	DB
	5	24	159	Trae Williams	Jacksonville Jaguars	DB
2009	3	33	97	Tyrone McKenzie	New England Patriots	LB
2010	1	15	15	Jason Pierre-Paul	New York Giants	DE
	2	5	37	Nate Allen	Philadelphia Eagles	DB
	3	1	65	Jerome Murphy	St. Louis Rams	DB
	6	8	177	Carlton Mitchell	Cleveland Browns	WR
	7	19	226	George Selvie	St. Louis Rams	DE
2011	3	1	65	Terrell McClain	Carolina Panthers	DT
	6	5	170	Mistral Raymond	Minnesota Vikings	DB
	6	37	202	Jacquian Williams	New York Giants	LB
2013	3	26	90	Kayvon Webster	Denver Broncos	DB
	7	26	232	Sam Barrington	Green Bay Packers	LB
	7	31	237	B. J. Daniels	San Francisco 49ers	QB
2014	5	10	150	Aaron Lynch	San Francisco 49ers	LB
2015	6	35	211	Reshard Cliett	Houston Texans	LB
	7	5	222	Austin Reiter	Washington Redskins	C
2017	4	36	143	Marlon Mack	Indianapolis Colts	RB
	5	26	170	Rodney Adams	Minnesota Vikings	WR
	6	28	212	Kofi Amichia	Green Bay Packers	T
2018	3	26	90	Deadrin Senat	Atlanta Falcons	DT
	5	37	174	Marquez Valdes-Scantling	Green Bay Packers	WR

Didn't say draft picks but they are probably pretty close. just refuting your point that Taggart didn't do anything as well as or better than Leavitt.

Mike White, Mitchel Wilcox, D'Earnest Johnson all hanging around the league

[bull2saintleo]

15 hours ago, Johaan said:

Not against the idea, the program has never been the same (or as fun) since his dismissal ... but how many years do we think he has left in the tank? He was still in his early 50s when the poop went down. 

Given our coaching carousel it might not matter, I'd be happy for a string of a few good (or at least entertaining) years. Would be interesting if nothing else. 

 

15 hours ago, dausfbulls11 said:

And bring in former players currently coaching….Verpaele, mompremier, cedric hill, larry scott, marquel, , to name a few to be able to take over after 3-4 years

This would be extremely similar to the Buccaneers pulling Bruce Arians out of retirement and building a staff, with the goal to retire and hand off to a new HC on staff and keep staff together.

Hiring CJL would also do wonders to establish the OCS.

[puc86]

10 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said:

Can also argue that Holtz did some good for USF. He beat Clemson, Notre Dame Miami. Won the Mieneke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte. 

It is an argument I now subscribe to but at least it is a reasonable argument that I can understand both sides but comparing CWT to CJL makes about as much sense as comparing CJS' potential to CJL's because there is no math anyone can use no matter how hard they try to conveniently select their measurables. 

[Bull94]

14 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said:

Can also argue that Holtz did some good for USF. He beat Clemson, Notre Dame Miami. Won the Mieneke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte. 

sure why not

[Bull Matrix]

10 minutes ago, USFreak said:

I think the point about Judy being a key donor is relevant.  But how many bigger donors has USF lost cow-towing to Judy? 

The problem is this program is in the gutter.  It is going to take a lot to resurrect it too.  What name do the Bulls pick up that is going to inject any life into this program?  They still play on Dale Mabry and a lot of the plans outlined require vision, money and on-field success.  Next year's AAC looks like a 6A Florida HS slate...and USF probably still won't win more than 2-3 games.

Leavitt probably wouldn't take the job if offered and USF is so stubborn they won't offer.  Sad for each as it is probably the only thing that breaks the Indian Burial ground curse.  But they'll take another run at some ACC or SEC also-ran and we'll be at the same place in 3 seasons with no OCS, an AAC losing record and less fans than a WNBA game.

Meanwhile, UCF is eating USF's lunch.  Malzahn seems like a legit long-term option for that team (has said multiple times his last coaching stop) and I see no reason things don't further improve for them with a Big12 conference home.  They certainly will out-recruit USF for years to come.  They have everything right now that we probably want and they did some bold things in the past to achieve them (certainly a few a little sketchy).

Well said. The good news is Leavitt was able to help USF out perform UCF when we started the program in 1997. Sure UCF had the head start but USF made up ground and became a threat to UCF which is why they hate USF so much while we honestly never gave a **** about UCF. I am counting on USF hitting a home run with the new hire and we will eventually end up in the ACC with a great OCS. That is my positive outlook 

[puc86]

5 minutes ago, Bull94 said:

Didn't say draft picks but they are probably pretty close. just refuting your point that Taggart didn't do anything as well as or better than Leavitt.

Mike White, Mitchel Wilcox, D'Earnest Johnson all hanging around the league

k

[USFreak]

2 minutes ago, Bull Awakening said:

Well said. The good news is Leavitt was able to help USF out perform UCF when we started the program in 1997. Sure UCF had the head start but USF made up ground and became a threat to UCF which is why they hate USF so much while we honestly never gave a **** about UCF. I am counting on USF hitting a home run with the new hire and we will eventually end up in the ACC with a great OCS. That is my positive outlook 

The problem is USF never gets an OCS if they keep running in place.  There is about as much excitement for this program as an upcoming colonoscopy.  Nobody attends the games and I don't think anybody with lined pockets wants to cough up any real money for this boat anchor of a program.