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I would love the B12. I wouldnt mind the AAC if we were better lol. It is just the prestige thing. Honestly, I really like the teams and locations of our conference. Memphis, Orlando, Dallas, Cincy, Houston, and I'm sure the ones I missed are a good time. In comparison, you have Waco, Norman, Lubbock, Stillwater...again I am sure there is some good stuff in each of these, but I prefer the AAC in that regard. We just need to get better. I think conference fandom is idiotic, but in our case, it actually has a purpose. If we have 3-5 ranked teams every year, with maybe one in the top 10 like UCF last year, we will garner more attention and be able to attract a better TV contract and SOS points.

My feelings exactly. I would have felt much better about this year if we had played better in those games.

Not to be too picky, but they dropped him in the Laurentian Abyss... *tips fedora* Thanks for the correction.

Well most sports fans, including the ones on here, live in a vacuum. 5-7 years ago, theyd be calling for us and not UCF. In two years, they might be calling for UConn, SMU, and Temple. Out of sight, out of mind. USF is out of mind and buried under Megatron in the Mariana Trench. One good season and we will capture their hearts again. UCF has had two good seasons and look at them. College sports landscape can literally be completely different within two years time.

I laughed way harder at this than I should have.

Would have left Chuck, but got rid of our QB coach at the very least.

Beat me to it.

If he promises to switch to a 4-3, he can stay. At any rate, he isnt coaching this failed abortion we have to call an offense. Putrid would be an improvement.

this. Just like in 2011 we were a few 4th quarter collapses from being like 9-3. Now we are just going the opposite way.

85 rushing yards sounds like a dream right now. Offense is hilarious

Metallica's version was better. this man gets it

Would be a complete failure if not. He broke 1/4 of that after the first game.

But that means I can get back to ATL early. Vote 10AM! Eh... remember the disaster that was the USF vs. Louisville Black Friday game a few years back. I think there was less than 10,000 in attendance. I'm in support of whatever time slot that will get the most butts in the seats. But it all depends on your holiday plans I guess. I was at that game. 10k is pushing it. Honestly.

Offensive rankings can be deceptive**** There is nothing deceptive about an offensive ranking our team sits on, as well as any of the other offenses ranked in the triple digits. Can you show me a team with an offense that was ranked in the triple digits that ever had double digit wins?? Probably not. If you want to have success at any level (P5, FCS, the tragedy that is the AAC) in the win column you have to have an offense ranked better than 100. I don't think anyone is calling for our offense to be scoring 50 points a game or be ranked even in the top 50 offensively, but you're gonna have to score some points and do something right on offense to be competitive and win some games. Wasnt saying that I think we CAN have double digit wins with a triple digit offense. I was saying that I dont care. I dont care if we win 6-3 every game. However, I do care if we lose 6-3 every game. If we are going to lose, I'd rather not be put to sleep at the same time. I will take a 49-45 loss every week. Fine. Make it sexy.

2009-2011

Offense has declined significantly since Harbaugh left and that is undeniable. In the past 3 seasons they ranked 70th, 48th, and 95th. They have ranked in the top 11 in defense each of the last 3 years. So yes you can get by with an ineffective offense if your defense is lights out. Stanford's is. Ours isn't. Offensive rankings are deceptive. Stanford doesnt run an Air Raid or Spread offense. They will never light up the board. Their offense isnt meant to climb the ladder. Neither is ours. That is ok. I dont care about being at the top of the rankings, just win the games. If that means we rank int he triple digits, so be it. Just get to double digits in the category that matters, Ws. Stanford has been getting Ws. We have not.

This has been their only bad year under Shaw with this offense. The other years included division co champions (losing to OK St in Fiesta Bowl bc college kickers lol), Rose Bowl Champions, and a Rose Bowl loss. This year, they are 5-4 with losses to Oregon, Arizona St, Notre Dame, and USC. All but ND are in the top 10 right now. USC was 14 at the time. Yeah Ill trade places with Stanford any day of the week. You mean the first few years with Harbaugh's recruits? We call that the Skip Holtz effect. Maybe so, but you are using a year where they have lost to three top10 teams to discredit their offense. They are only averaging 12.5 ppg in those losses but again, I dont think Stanford is the best example to discredit the Pro Style offense. It worked when Harbaugh was there too.

This has been their only bad year under Shaw with this offense. The other years included division co champions (losing to OK St in Fiesta Bowl bc college kickers lol), Rose Bowl Champions, and a Rose Bowl loss. This year, they are 5-4 with losses to Oregon, Arizona St, Notre Dame, and USC. All but ND are in the top 10 right now. USC was 14 at the time. Yeah Ill trade places with Stanford any day of the week.

2-3 more years??? He gets another year no matter what in my mind, but if there is no bowl game next year he's gone. No one expects an Auburn like turn around, but at the rate things are going it will take 12 years for us to have a chance to win one of the worst conferences in college football. With teams like SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCONN, plus whatever FCS school you start with up and down your schedule, if he doesn't have us at a minimum of 6 wins next year it should be glaring that HE IS THE PROBLEM. As of right now (according to Rivals) our recruiting is ranked 83rd in the country. At least last year we could talk about how incredible he was doing in recruiting, this year we stink again and are wondering what happened to the recruiting that happened last year....? Well, at some point we are going to have to commit to something. Some style. Some agenda. Some philosophy and stay the course. We cant just have a continuous revolving door of coaches until one of us gets us back to a bowl game. I dont like it but again, just throwing coaches at the problem might not be the solution. I disagree. The absolute best solution to the problem we currently have is a good coach. If CWT is not a good coach, another is needed immediately. 2-3 more years??? He gets another year no matter what in my mind, but if there is no bowl game next year he's gone. No one expects an Auburn like turn around, but at the rate things are going it will take 12 years for us to have a chance to win one of the worst conferences in college football. With teams like SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCONN, plus whatever FCS school you start with up and down your schedule, if he doesn't have us at a minimum of 6 wins next year it should be glaring that HE IS THE PROBLEM. As of right now (according to Rivals) our recruiting is ranked 83rd in the country. At least last year we could talk about how incredible he was doing in recruiting, this year we stink again and are wondering what happened to the recruiting that happened last year....? Well, at some point we are going to have to commit to something. Some style. Some agenda. Some philosophy and stay the course. We cant just have a continuous revolving door of coaches until one of us gets us back to a bowl game. I dont like it but again, just throwing coaches at the problem might not be the solution. You commit to something that works. You can't just keep a guy around to keep consistency for style and agenda if the results are below average when you're paying the man $1.3 million (or however much it is). I want Taggart to figure it out just as much as the next guy. Another few years of a new coach and new scheme etc. would be miserable to go through because it would once again get worse before it got better. But if Taggart is not the answer and we continue to get this same below average results and below average play, the longer he sticks around the longer it'll take for us to actually get to where we want to be. Both of you are right, but I only said 2-3 more years. Not 12 like Rutgers gave Schiano. I dont think 4-5 years is unfair. Again, it all depends too. If we go 4-8 this year w/ an 80th ranked class, then have an SMU year next year, then there is no excuse for that. If we go 5-7 next year but bring in a top 30 recruiting class, do we still let him go? What if we go 4-8 the year after, but bring in a top 20 class? Do we let him go? I truly do not believe three years is enough to turn most programs around. Especially when you're basically starting from scratch. Staff, scheme, everything.

lol oh dear god I dont even know what I would do.

2-3 more years??? He gets another year no matter what in my mind, but if there is no bowl game next year he's gone. No one expects an Auburn like turn around, but at the rate things are going it will take 12 years for us to have a chance to win one of the worst conferences in college football. With teams like SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, UCONN, plus whatever FCS school you start with up and down your schedule, if he doesn't have us at a minimum of 6 wins next year it should be glaring that HE IS THE PROBLEM. As of right now (according to Rivals) our recruiting is ranked 83rd in the country. At least last year we could talk about how incredible he was doing in recruiting, this year we stink again and are wondering what happened to the recruiting that happened last year....? Well, at some point we are going to have to commit to something. Some style. Some agenda. Some philosophy and stay the course. We cant just have a continuous revolving door of coaches until one of us gets us back to a bowl game. I dont like it but again, just throwing coaches at the problem might not be the solution.

Assume you mean FSU in 2012 and also "just like" in ratio, UCF/USF fan, not numbers ... Correct on both accounts. Thanks for keeping me in check Trip. It's only because I think your avatar is cool .... Makes me think he's a UConn fan when I see it... Game of Thrones fan

McSU was an FCS/1AA team. The loss was the biggest margin in the history of 1A/1AA matchups. This shouldn't even be debated. I honestly think that McSU team would put up 70 on SMU this year.

I wouldnt mind losing if we would do stuff like this. Our team is just so boring. 2 yard run Dropped pass 1 yard run punt 5 yard run 2 yard loss 2 yard run punt 4 yard pass 9 yard run 3 yard run botched snap Fumble recovered by the defense MAKE IT STOP!!!!

Assuming he doesnt lose to SMU and doesnt lose the locker room, parents, die hards, etc. then I would honestly give him 2-3 more years. srs. Especially if his recruiting keeps improving. I am willing to be patient. I know you cant turn a program like this around overnight. We are not Auburn. We dont have unlimited funding and reputation to carry us. We need to do it the hard way. Besides, are we really going to pay FOUR coaches? Come on.