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That is an entirely different issue. It is kind of embarrassing we have fans who do that. I know it was eons ago but some of those programs did have some success playing bigtime football. But then again, I remember before the collapse of the Big East some of our fans were convinced USF was a shoo in to stay in one of the preferred conferences . I knew otherwise. I do hate being right sometimes.

Like a lot of things in life, there are choices which sound better than the current situation but a closer inspection makes things a little more complicated. I will stick with the three sports I know a little about and leave the others to those in the know. In general there would be the probability of a lot less TV money. Also, a lot fewer games being available to televise unless the team USF is playing is affiliated with a conference with an excellent TV contract. You might get a local independent station to show a game or two but that is the extent of that. In men's basketball, I only know of 2 teams which are independent. They are Chicago St. and Hartford. Not only are those 2 not exactly name brands, I think Hartford has chosen to step down to Division III. I acknowledge the terrible fact that USF men's basketball postseason is an occurance similar to a comet sighting but I would argue if USF plays a similar schedule to the ones they did in those post season years as an independent, they would have only made it the year they were in the CBI. The baseball team of a couple of years ago would not have been able to even sniff the post season as an independent. Football is a little different, of course, but there would still be issues we as fans would have to live with. Now, if this 12 team playoff format does happen, we would have to live with the fact that if the team somehow had a great season, they could win each and every game but still be left out. Obviously that is not the case if they did so in even a watered down AAC. Scheduling at times could be problematic. I seem to remember football Independents Liberty and New Mexico St. having to play twice in one season due to scheduling issues. Even as a new member of CUSA, USF had to play two 1AA teams that year. You can rattle off brand names you want USF to play but you have to get them to play you. It is not like the NFL where the league sets the entire schedule. You probably would see USF only being able to play 4 or 5 home games unless they decided to step down in class more than once a season. That is problematic if you wish to build your own stadium. Finally, I think most these days would be ok if USF did not make one of those lower tier bowls due to not being in a conference. That would be the reality though and we experienced that in 2002. That was a very good team and yet they were shut out. The situation is not great at all but with the points above, I do not see how things would be better except for making our collective egos feel better. While I would not be against independence, I fail to see how it would improve USF's situation financially or as far as getting exposure. I will add my thought or question on one thing Puc brought up which would have been interesting had it played out. If USF back in 2012 had stated they would go independent in football and stay in the Big East for everything else, would the Big East have accepted that? I have no idea at all.

If I may add, the biggest flub I have ever heard of in the history of collegiate sports recruiting. The son of arguably the greatest player ever for your program dreams his entire life of being a Hokie and you reject him. Seems worse when you consider what he said on his way out of here

Granted, I do not watch basketball much anymore but still.... You might be the first person I have ever seen or heard criticize a MAAC team for not being able to hang with a Big East team.

So, I know it was accomplished in the Age of Antiquity, but USF did win the 1990 Sun Belt Conference Tournament after finishing 2nd in the regular season.

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Well, I would recognize you. You're Sam the Sham

Take a LA Rams Helmet and change it to USF colors.

I know it will be awhile before that is worked out. Many on here are expressing legitmate concerns or ideas despite the fact it is really too early for those things to have been thought out. I have no concerns at all until after I can look over what is offered and then decide.

I was speaking more of the actual cost of seats and access to amenities but you bring up a good point. I have not been to a basketball or baseball game for awhile but seem to recall buying a beer without feeling shaken down. I do expect that to be the case at an on campus stadium and therefore might not have my fill only in the parking lot like I do now.

I tried to be clear that it was not directed at you personally as you were speaking of yourself, not others. Just using your point to show that even the best fans have their limits and should not be held to unreasonable standards.

Back to the main concern at hand, it will be interesting to see how USF balances things such as price points and amenities granted at each price point. They will want to maximize profits on the influx of the tire kickers but not alienate the few loyal fans they still have which have endured some pretty brutal seasons as of late. It will not be an easy task for those who care. I will wait to see what they have to offer and plan according to the information.

That FAU game at the old soccer stadium was pretty brutal. I had forgotten about that. I usually have no issues handling the heat but that day seemed extreme.

Ok, so you are not the first to say this as we have had some on here awhile back advocate for a stadium with no seats. I want to see all of you who think we should all be standing the entire game keep standing when USF is down 28-0 in the first quarter.

I seem to recall when I was there in 2017 that they had a couple of decent local beers for a very reasonable price. I had a couple of one which was like a lighter wheat beer. I long quit buying at Raymond James because the prices and choices are not for me.

The color looks chartreuse to me. Kind of like the the elusive, one and only, 1977 corvette with the paint code 41.

Not to overlook the fact we do not have a T. Boone Pickens as our sugar daddy.

Right now, it looks to be Marquette. Nothing to concern yourself with.

I just hope the team improves enough next season so that Raymond James is not a comfortable place for Owls to nest.

I don't have a twitter account but can imagine spot on what is going on. They really do not endear themselves to others, do they? Last I checked, they haven't even played a game. They are like the kid who gets sent to the principal's office on the first day of school for being disrespectful only they have not even made it into the building yet.

Actually, we need to get some meeseeks whose singular purpose is winning USF a football championship

Do you think Greenberg ever kicks himself for passing on a legacy at Va Tech by not offering Dell Curry's son?

Just a little of the Just for Men and there really would be a resemblance.