Seattle's 12th man

[Gismo]

From link:

"Would have been very hard to get money since Seattle was using the term before it was trademarked and continued using it for 15 years after the trademark without A&M defending it."

"What you don't understand, is this, the agreement made all previous occurrences null.

By entering to the agreement Seattle has acknowledged A&M's ownership of the trademark.

We can now charge MORE for use of the trademark or rescind their ability to use that trademark.

Why don't you pony up some cash because Jason Cook talks about the trademark and protection of it on premium.

I'm not going to repeat exactly what he says here but I can tell you, you don't know what you are talking about."

[charsibb]

How about we use 23rd Bull (or Bull23), since there are 22 starters on O and D...

[USF_BULLS_R_WE]

How about we use 23rd Bull (or Bull23), since there are 22 starters on O and D...

I like it especially when we start winning again and the fans hop back on the wagon. I would be honored to be a member of the inaugural year of the 23rd Bull Club

[hullabulloo]

Dumb that they are able to copyright something like that.

Raiders should've copyrighted raider nation before others got to it.

 

 

Its silly to copyright things like that.  Granted, the story behind TA&M's 12th man is pretty neat.  Stupid to make you make a nod to them and pay them money to use the term though.

 

Don't mean to nitpick (yes I do).

 

But it is trademark; not copyright.

[E.T.]

12th Man is a football term.

[Bull Matrix]

Am I missing something?

About 15 years ago, some of us thought of forming a group called "the 12th Bull" club. I quickly received a legal-oriented threat from Texas A&M demanding we cease and desist claiming they owned the whole 12th man concept.

I wonder what the difference is or if they plan to threaten Seattle.

 

The difference is that we backed down to some BS legal warning from TAMU. No way can you assume the 12th Bull is the same as the 12th Man. They dont have that patented and we should have never backed down from it. Should have said bring it on and lawyered up. No way they would have won. 

[Skingraft]

It doesn't count if there is actually only 12 ppl in the stands

[hullabulloo]

 

 

 

The difference is that we backed down to some BS legal warning from TAMU. No way can you assume the 12th Bull is the same as the 12th Man. They dont have that patented and we should have never backed down from it. Should have said bring it on and lawyered up. No way they would have won. 

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2437992

 

"As part of the agreement, the Seahawks acknowledge Texas A&M's ownership rights of the trademarked phrase. However, the NFL team may continue using it under license. Neither side admitted any fault or liability."

 

No. The difference is they got a license. 

 

I don't think any one should weigh in on the legal arguments who can't even tell the difference between patent and trademark.

[hullabulloo]

12th Man is a football term.

 

This is exactly why Texas A&M is annoyingly protective of their trademark. If they don't protect the mark (even against petty uses like "12th Bull"), then it can become generic ("a football term") and no longer a valid trademark. 

 

Here is some simple reading on Genericide. http://www.legalzoom.com/intellectual-property-rights/trademarks/problem-genericide

[BuckeyeBull9257]

It doesn't count if there is actually only 12 ppl in the stands

 

Boom.  Right in the attendance numbers.