Woolard has to go ASAP.

[USFbulls24]

Pitt and Syracuse? Take the green and gold blinders off and look at it objectively, no comparison to USF.  These are schools with natioanl championships, Heisman winners, billion dollar endowments, etc.. Things that take a century, or in the case of Pitt, two centuries to build. 

 

Blinders? What in the world are you talking about? When did I say because Pitt and Syracuse got to another conference USF should? I actually said in a previous post in this thread "Although I understand why other conferences wouldn't want us given what has happened over the last few years".

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

Mark Sanchez was always an iffy candidate, he only played 1 season as starter at USC. Its like saying Josh Freeman was a great NFL Candidate. As one of the former NFL execs said on NFL Network yesterday, he showed bad decision making and accuracy in college and still does it in the NFL.

 

LOL that is not the point!!!!!!! The point is the New York Jets thought he was a good enough candidate to take him early in the 1st round. They were wrong, and their team is paying for that mistake now. Doug Woolard thought Skip Holtz was a very good candidate. He was wrong and our team is paying for that now. AGAIN I am not comparing the situations and I know it is different, I am simply saying just because Doug Woolard or a NFL GM hires/drafts a "good candidate" doesn't mean everything is good and they did the right thing. 

 

Would you rather me use Jamarcus Russell with the Raiders? Ryan Leaf with the Chargers? Tim Couch with the Browns? Pick which ever you want. 

 

Difference being that the GM and Rex liked Sanchez. And after years, both are still employed. And Woolard relied on a professional search firm to find qualified candidates. And if I recall, LRS was on that jet to get Holtz. Doubt he would do that if he wasn't behind it either. Maybe you would be better served by suggesting USF sued that firm.

 

You don't fire people for hiring qualified people. You fire the qualified employee when they don't meet performance expectations. No one in America in management would be employed if they were fired for hiring employees that didn't work out.

 

 

I have never said that "Doug Woolard should be fired and fired right now". I certainly wouldn't be against it and I don't see how anyone could be though. A point I am making is at some point if he is the guy who hired Holtz the responsibility and accountability falls on him for that hire not working out. The main point I was trying to make was someone said "All he has done is hire great candidates for our head coaches". So that makes everything okay? Well at the time they were "great candidates"? Seriously? Just because a guy makes a hire who is a "good candidate" doesn't mean you wash everything else under the rug and forget what has actually happened. 

 

You really are having trouble understanding what drafting Mark Sanchez did to the Jets? Do you not remember the Jets were in the AFC championship game I believe 2 years in a row because their defense was so good? Can you imagine if they actually drafted a "good candidate" that actually ended up being good? Mike Tannebaum is not still employed and Rex Ryan is on his way out after this season. They drafted someone who they thought was going to be good and it didn't work out. Doug Woolard hired someone he thought was going to be good. It didn't work out. I understand there are extreme differences in the situations but its the principle of responsibility/accountability. 

 

He used a professional firm? Link? Never heard anything about that and on top of that since you're just defending every move this guy makes what do you hold him accountable for? Is his job description "hiring "good candidates" and firing coaches that "do something illegal, allow infractions to happen with their teams, and abuse players"? So in order for Doug Woolard to be successful to you as long as he is "hiring good candidates that is agreed with by "college sports experts" and firing coaches that "do the wrong thing" he's A+? For making $500,000 a year if you're his critic sound like he's got the best job in America.

 

Does Google not work for you? And Woolard did NOT use a search firm after firing Holtz.

 

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=td-newsflash011210

 

 

Holtz confirmed he has been contacted by Chuck Neinas – who has been hired by USF to do the search – to solicit his interest in the job.

 

 

 

Wow... I am so so so so sorry. My sincerest apologies for not trying to google it. Give me a break.. I hadn't heard that this was the case so I was asking where I could read about it. 

[Triple B]

 

 

Did Cuse or Pitt end up leaving the Big East? Yes, they did. Obviously they were trying to get out. You did hear reports of other schools in the Big East - Uconn, Cincy, etc trying to get out. These teams you're mentioning you didn't hear anything prior to them leaving. But the important part for their schools is they did do something and they did leave. Not only did USF not leave, there wasn't even a report or anything about USF even thinking about it.

 

Just because we didn't hear about efforts to get out, or actually get out, doesn't mean that Woolard and Judy didn't try.

 

 

That is true. But because I did hear about other schools it just makes me think they didn't. Can't really blame my logic.

 

 

Your logic sucks .... and you yourself give the reason why :

 

I never said that I think Woolard doesn't want his athletic department to be on a "more steady foundation in a better conference, and that he doesn't want USF to earn more revenue, thereby eventually increasing the money he would eventually make". Obviously I know he wants to do this...

 

If it's better for USF and him personally, why wouldn't he have done it?

[USFbulls24]

lol whatever you say. You obviously know he did everything in his power to get us out of the AAC and into a better conference. Silly me for thinking otherwise. Maybe you don't realize there is a major difference between "wanting" to do something and "ACTUALLY" doing something?

Edited October 3, 2013 by USFbulls24

[GaUSFBull]

 

 

 

Did Cuse or Pitt end up leaving the Big East? Yes, they did. Obviously they were trying to get out. You did hear reports of other schools in the Big East - Uconn, Cincy, etc trying to get out. These teams you're mentioning you didn't hear anything prior to them leaving. But the important part for their schools is they did do something and they did leave. Not only did USF not leave, there wasn't even a report or anything about USF even thinking about it.

 

Just because we didn't hear about efforts to get out, or actually get out, doesn't mean that Woolard and Judy didn't try.

 

 

That is true. But because I did hear about other schools it just makes me think they didn't. Can't really blame my logic.

 

 

Your logic sucks .... and you yourself give the reason why :

 

I never said that I think Woolard doesn't want his athletic department to be on a "more steady foundation in a better conference, and that he doesn't want USF to earn more revenue, thereby eventually increasing the money he would eventually make". Obviously I know he wants to do this...

 

If it's better for USF and him personally, why wouldn't he have done it?

 

 

But Trip, didn't you read his rationale for that logic?  It's "Just because someone wants a new job and to make more  money doesn't mean they do everything in there power to get one."  

 

So to USFbulls24, because not everyone that wants something goes out and does everything in their power to get it, that means that Woolard didn't.  

[Triple B]

lol whatever you say. You obviously know he did everything in his power to get us out of the AAC and into a better conference. Silly me for thinking otherwise.

 

Took 12 pages but you finally got it ....

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

Did Cuse or Pitt end up leaving the Big East? Yes, they did. Obviously they were trying to get out. You did hear reports of other schools in the Big East - Uconn, Cincy, etc trying to get out. These teams you're mentioning you didn't hear anything prior to them leaving. But the important part for their schools is they did do something and they did leave. Not only did USF not leave, there wasn't even a report or anything about USF even thinking about it.

 

Just because we didn't hear about efforts to get out, or actually get out, doesn't mean that Woolard and Judy didn't try.

 

 

That is true. But because I did hear about other schools it just makes me think they didn't. Can't really blame my logic.

 

 

Your logic sucks .... and you yourself give the reason why :

 

I never said that I think Woolard doesn't want his athletic department to be on a "more steady foundation in a better conference, and that he doesn't want USF to earn more revenue, thereby eventually increasing the money he would eventually make". Obviously I know he wants to do this...

 

If it's better for USF and him personally, why wouldn't he have done it?

 

 

But Trip, didn't you read his rationale for that logic?  It's "Just because someone wants a new job and to make more  money doesn't mean they do everything in there power to get one."  

 

So to USFbulls24, because not everyone that wants something goes out and does everything in their power to get it, that means that Woolard didn't.  

 

 

My rationale for that logic? Are you serious haha? Have you ever heard of a metaphor? I was simply saying just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean that they are going to do it. If you don't like the example okay but don't sit there and say that is my rationale... The principle of my rationale is within the same context but my rationale is not because a lot of people want a better job but don't go and get one.

Edited October 3, 2013 by USFbulls24

[GaUSFBull]

 

 

 

 

 

Did Cuse or Pitt end up leaving the Big East? Yes, they did. Obviously they were trying to get out. You did hear reports of other schools in the Big East - Uconn, Cincy, etc trying to get out. These teams you're mentioning you didn't hear anything prior to them leaving. But the important part for their schools is they did do something and they did leave. Not only did USF not leave, there wasn't even a report or anything about USF even thinking about it.

 

Just because we didn't hear about efforts to get out, or actually get out, doesn't mean that Woolard and Judy didn't try.

 

 

That is true. But because I did hear about other schools it just makes me think they didn't. Can't really blame my logic.

 

 

Your logic sucks .... and you yourself give the reason why :

 

I never said that I think Woolard doesn't want his athletic department to be on a "more steady foundation in a better conference, and that he doesn't want USF to earn more revenue, thereby eventually increasing the money he would eventually make". Obviously I know he wants to do this...

 

If it's better for USF and him personally, why wouldn't he have done it?

 

 

But Trip, didn't you read his rationale for that logic?  It's "Just because someone wants a new job and to make more  money doesn't mean they do everything in there power to get one."  

 

So to USFbulls24, because not everyone that wants something goes out and does everything in their power to get it, that means that Woolard didn't.  

 

 

My rationale for that logic? Are you serious haha? Have you ever heard of a metaphor? I was simply saying just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean that they are going to do it. If you don't like the example okay but don't sit there and say that is my rationale... The principle of my rationale is within the same context but my rationale is not because a lot of people want a better job but don't go and get one.

 

 

So even though that's the reason you gave for why you don't think Woolard did anything, that's not a rationale ... got it.  

[USFbulls24]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did Cuse or Pitt end up leaving the Big East? Yes, they did. Obviously they were trying to get out. You did hear reports of other schools in the Big East - Uconn, Cincy, etc trying to get out. These teams you're mentioning you didn't hear anything prior to them leaving. But the important part for their schools is they did do something and they did leave. Not only did USF not leave, there wasn't even a report or anything about USF even thinking about it.

 

Just because we didn't hear about efforts to get out, or actually get out, doesn't mean that Woolard and Judy didn't try.

 

 

That is true. But because I did hear about other schools it just makes me think they didn't. Can't really blame my logic.

 

 

Your logic sucks .... and you yourself give the reason why :

 

I never said that I think Woolard doesn't want his athletic department to be on a "more steady foundation in a better conference, and that he doesn't want USF to earn more revenue, thereby eventually increasing the money he would eventually make". Obviously I know he wants to do this...

 

If it's better for USF and him personally, why wouldn't he have done it?

 

 

But Trip, didn't you read his rationale for that logic?  It's "Just because someone wants a new job and to make more  money doesn't mean they do everything in there power to get one."  

 

So to USFbulls24, because not everyone that wants something goes out and does everything in their power to get it, that means that Woolard didn't.  

 

 

My rationale for that logic? Are you serious haha? Have you ever heard of a metaphor? I was simply saying just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean that they are going to do it. If you don't like the example okay but don't sit there and say that is my rationale... The principle of my rationale is within the same context but my rationale is not because a lot of people want a better job but don't go and get one.

 

 

So even though that's the reason you gave for why you don't think Woolard did anything, that's not a rationale ... got it.  

 

My rationale is that I didn't see anything in the news, didn't hear any reports at all or anything of that nature about USF trying to get into a better conference while the big east was crumbling. Meanwhile, reports came out about other schools in the big east doing what they could to leave or reports about other schools actually leaving. The example of me saying just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean they actually do anything goes back to anyone using the argument of "you don't think he wants us to be in a better conference, thus making his future better..." or whatever was said along those lines. Get it?

Edited October 3, 2013 by USFbulls24

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