BullFan98 Posted February 23, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 258 Content Count: 7,780 Reputation: 328 Days Won: 7 Joined: 08/13/2010 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I wish I had a quarter for every time smazza has made a comment of a similar nature about us being outside the big 5. Or outside of the big 3 in the State of Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jihme Posted February 24, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 176 Content Count: 4,642 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2006 Share Posted February 24, 2013 the fact that usf is in this position outside the big 5 is disturbing I have to disagree. Size and location have little to do with how powerful a school is in the athletic hierarchy. E.g., Notre Dame is about 1/7th the size of USF and is located in the armpit of Indiana, but wields 100x more influence. What matters is stuff like historical pedigree and fan base. USF, as we all know, is a relatively new school with a 15 year old football program (hence no history) and is a late-comer to a football market saturated with established brands like Florida, FSU, and MIami (hence a small fan base). Considering those factors, we really were lucky to be a member of the "big boy club" for the eight years that we were. this! well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobulls83 Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 92 Content Count: 3,475 Reputation: 95 Days Won: 7 Joined: 02/14/2006 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) It is because of our age as a University, and because we dragged our feet on getting football for so long. Had we added football back in the 1980's or 1970's then we would likely be in the Big 5 by now. I think we get shat on by the older Universities because of both of these items. Yeah, just like that school in Orlando that started out in the late 1970s and yet fell behind 1997-born USF in the college football totem poll. (That means you are wrong.) orlando school caught usf now that we are in the same conference They didn't catch up to USF, USF was relegated down to their level. Orlando U has caught USF the way you might catch up to someone if you sit idly in your car while they drive in reverse straight toward you. Edited February 25, 2013 by gobulls83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quo Vadis Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 4 Content Count: 160 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/09/2012 Share Posted February 25, 2013 It is because of our age as a University, and because we dragged our feet on getting football for so long. Had we added football back in the 1980's or 1970's then we would likely be in the Big 5 by now. I think we get shat on by the older Universities because of both of these items. Yeah, just like that school in Orlando that started out in the late 1970s and yet fell behind 1997-born USF in the college football totem poll. (That means you are wrong.) orlando school caught usf now that we are in the same conference They didn't catch up to USF, USF was relegated down to their level. Orlando U has caught USF the way you might catch up to someone if you sit idly in your car while they drive in reverse straight toward you. Yeah. As far as I can tell, the only schools in all of FBS that will be getting less bowl money and media money from 2014 onwards than they got previously are Cincy, Uconn, and us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltLiquorBull Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 96 Content Count: 4,078 Reputation: 1,389 Days Won: 14 Joined: 01/09/2006 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Face it, we are a "directional" school. Nobody wants a directional school in their conference. That's a stigma. Name another directional school that's in a power 5 conference. You can't. And don't tell me USC--that's not the same. It may be "directional" in name, but it is a private institution and not a public state directional school like us. It's just a crappy fact that we have to deal with. Maybe we can overcome it, but we will have to be the first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charsibb Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 653 Content Count: 31,049 Reputation: 2,487 Days Won: 172 Joined: 08/30/2011 Share Posted February 25, 2013 It is because of our age as a University, and because we dragged our feet on getting football for so long. Had we added football back in the 1980's or 1970's then we would likely be in the Big 5 by now. I think we get shat on by the older Universities because of both of these items. Yeah, just like that school in Orlando that started out in the late 1970s and yet fell behind 1997-born USF in the college football totem poll. (That means you are wrong.) orlando school caught usf now that we are in the same conference They didn't catch up to USF, USF was relegated down to their level. Orlando U has caught USF the way you might catch up to someone if you sit idly in your car while they drive in reverse straight toward you. Yeah. As far as I can tell, the only schools in all of FBS that will be getting less bowl money and media money from 2014 onwards than they got previously are Cincy, Uconn, and us. Cincy and UCONN will put their football in the MAC and go with the C7 schools in basketball. That leaves us - the red-headed stepchild of the NCAA. Well, it was fun while it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quo Vadis Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 4 Content Count: 160 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/09/2012 Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Face it, we are a "directional" school. Nobody wants a directional school in their conference. That's a stigma. Name another directional school that's in a power 5 conference. You can't. Good point. I hadn't thought of that. There are "states" (as in FSU), "A&Ms" (as in Texas) and "techs" (as in Georgia) ... but no north/south/east/wests. Edited February 25, 2013 by BatonRougeBull87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) interesting analysis about direction schools Edited February 25, 2013 by smazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 It is because of our age as a University, and because we dragged our feet on getting football for so long. Had we added football back in the 1980's or 1970's then we would likely be in the Big 5 by now. I think we get shat on by the older Universities because of both of these items. Yeah, just like that school in Orlando that started out in the late 1970s and yet fell behind 1997-born USF in the college football totem poll. (That means you are wrong.) orlando school caught usf now that we are in the same conference They didn't catch up to USF, USF was relegated down to their level. Orlando U has caught USF the way you might catch up to someone if you sit idly in your car while they drive in reverse straight toward you. Yeah. As far as I can tell, the only schools in all of FBS that will be getting less bowl money and media money from 2014 onwards than they got previously are Cincy, Uconn, and us. Cincy and UCONN will put their football in the MAC and go with the C7 schools in basketball. That leaves us - the red-headed stepchild of the NCAA. Well, it was fun while it lasted. they will never go to the mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danm1983 Posted February 25, 2013 Group: Member Topic Count: 44 Content Count: 2,994 Reputation: 151 Days Won: 4 Joined: 08/20/2009 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Wonder what the costs of rebranding the school and changing the name are compared to chances of getting in that conference. C'mon Gulf U! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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