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[Who'sYourData?]

I'm starting to really question if

Heath can get this program to the next level

:Bang

If you want an NCAA champship, he can't.  Neither can Rick Pitino.  This prgram needs money, lots of it.  New practice facilities going up will help, as will Sun Dome renovations, if they can ever get done.  Then you might have a chance to get into the Top 10 out of 300+ D1 programs in the NCAA. 

Oddly enough, those other programs want to win also.  And they have more money, more history and better faciliities.

Heath has worked miracles thus far.  And he gets paid a fraction of the big names.  He's the biggest bargain in college basketball.  Send him thank you notes every day.

[IHuckItDeep]

I'm starting to really question if

Heath can get this program to the next level

:Bang

If you want an NCAA champship, he can't.  Neither can Rick Pitino.  This prgram needs money, lots of it.  New practice facilities going up will help, as will Sun Dome renovations, if they can ever get done.  Then you might have a chance to get into the Top 10 out of 300+ D1 programs in the NCAA. 

Oddly enough, those other programs want to win also.  And they have more money, more history and better faciliities.

Heath has worked miracles thus far.  And he gets paid a fraction of the big names.  He's the biggest bargain in college basketball.  Send him thank you notes every day.

we just have different interpretations of what "next level" is.....i dont want to just be competitive in the Big East.....I want to win the Big East.......

bottom line is.....with recent success.....the brand new basketball facilities being built.....and the fact that we are in the Big East....i just dont see how we are not even getting two star recruits??.....

[Bullpride08]

I'm starting to really question if

Heath can get this program to the next level

:Bang

If you want an NCAA champship, he can't.  Neither can Rick Pitino.  This prgram needs money, lots of it.  New practice facilities going up will help, as will Sun Dome renovations, if they can ever get done.  Then you might have a chance to get into the Top 10 out of 300+ D1 programs in the NCAA. 

Oddly enough, those other programs want to win also.  And they have more money, more history and better faciliities.

Heath has worked miracles thus far.  And he gets paid a fraction of the big names.  He's the biggest bargain in college basketball.  Send him thank you notes every day.

we just have different interpretations of what "next level" is.....i dont want to just be competitive in the Big East.....I want to win the Big East.......

bottom line is.....with recent success.....the brand new basketball facilities being built.....and the fact that we are in the Big East....i just dont see how we are not even getting two star recruits??.....

You may have your own 'interpretation' but Databull is trying to explain to you is you're punch-drug, loopy, ignorant, and silly.  Maybe someday, one day we'll have a shot to win the BE...but this is not C-DOA, this is not the MAC, hell this is not SEC hoops.  It's the BE, the greatest assemblage of college hoops programs in one conference in the history of the NCAA.

1.  In the BE we currently have 3 hall-of-fame coaches-- Pitino, Boeheim, and Calhoun...and 4 that are destined to be there in Huggins, Dixon, Wright, and JT III.

2.  Fifteen of the sixteen teams have at least ONE Final Four visit, and 10 have been to the Championship game, and 8 have won at least one NC-- Cinci, Marquette, Cuse, GT, Uconn, UL, and Nova.

3.  Two thirds of the programs play in Domes bigger then the SunDome, and 100% have greater average attendance than USF.  Three schools, UL, Cuse, and Uconn, are annually national top 10 in annual attendance.  Seven play in NBA Arenas at least a few games a year.

4.  Fifteen other programs have had multiple all-americans, and a plethora of NBA talent.

Most teams sit more five star all-americans then USF has ever had on roster.  Take Uconn, they've got a top 20 class coming in for 2010, they signed a top 10 in 2009...that's sick reloading.  Nova looks to be on the cusp of signing two top 10 classes, their 2009 class was arguable top 3 material.  Syracuse is battling right now for the #1 class in the nation for 2010.  UL just landed another top 40 athlete, and out of the most recent top 150 the BE has a mind-blowing 30 commitments, and they signed 25 of the top 150 from 2009--- NONE WERE BY USF.

Ask why?

USF has inferior facilities, budgets (most BE teams take charter flights to every away game- USF is lucky if they take 5 or 6 a year), inferior coaching- no disrespect to Stan but when you're in a league with Boeheim, Calhoun, Pitino, Huggins, Wright, JT III- it's hard to get your due.

So while 'someday you may want a league championship' that doesn't come over night, and it takes building blocks.  Stan is laying foundations right now, if he stuck to exclusively recruiting elite HS kids to win, he'd get demolished.  But taking some retreds, some JUCO hidden gems...he might be able to get a few post season berths, show to future recruits the future is bright...then the new facilities go up, maybe SunDome improvements in 3 years...and now we're taking 1-2 top 150 HS kids a year and then you can see what Stan can really do.

The fact is Stan's resume is impeccible.

He went to Kent State and did the unthinkable in his first year as a HC after being assistant HC to the great Tom Izzo.  His first year at KSU he goes 30-5, losing in the final moments of the Elite Eight, almost a FINAL FOUR-- winning league title, and conference tourney title.

He takes over an Arkansas program that is in shambles under Nolan Richardson, that was 14-16 the year before.  He had a bunch of transfers, and kids kicked off the team because they were running amuck.  His first year at UA they had 8 scholarship players (sound familiar) and went 9-19.

2nd year 12-16.

3rd year 18-12-- NIT

4th year 22-10-- NCAA

5th year 21-14-- NCAA

Then Stan was let go, the UA fans got antsy and felt Stan couldn't get them 'to the promised land'...even though he was returning a senior ladened bunch that was really ready to do some damage.  When they fired him their best player declared for the NBA (most felt he would have stayed if Stan was around, and they had one transfer).

The brought in the 'savior'...Pelphries.

in 07-08 he went 23-12-- NCAA

in 08-09 he went 14-16-- sat at home

in 09-11 he's right now 14-13-- and undoubtedly going to be sitting at home again!!!!!!!!!!!

The moral is the BE is not a conference you come in and dominate, or jump to the top immediately...hell you just try to survive it if you're a program like USF.  Look at the fact that RU, Depaul, and St. John's, statistically speaking, have outrecruited us the past few years...but who's looking better now?

UA thought Stan wasn't doing enough...but I know UA fans that felt he would have done much better than Pelphry in 07-08, and would have never let the program slide.  Stan is a builder, CLEARLY...all he's done is pick programs up from the depths of dispare and return them to glory-- KSU, UA, and now USF.  The resume speaks for itself...he'll get us to the NCAA whether it's this year or one very soon that's his nature.  USF has to keep giving him more tools to compete, but he'll get us there.

[Greg Auman]

John Thompson III is destined for the Hall of Fame? Based on one Final Four appearance? Sure, he might get there, but it's not like he's just waiting to retire to formalize that. Huggins has had a great career, but the others you mentioned are still pretty young to be talking about Hall of Fame. Come back in a few hundred wins and we'll see.

[Bullpride08]

John Thompson III is destined for the Hall of Fame? Based on one Final Four appearance? Sure, he might get there, but it's not like he's just waiting to retire to formalize that. Huggins has had a great career, but the others you mentioned are still pretty young to be talking about Hall of Fame. Come back in a few hundred wins and we'll see.

What are you needle in the haystack guy, run around and nit-pick 1 point....bet you quite a bit Jay Wright makes it in, and Jamie Dixon too someday.  Some guys got 'it' and some don't.  Wright has already been a success elsewhere, and Dixon isn't leaving Pitt any time soon.

At this point JT III, Wright, and Dixon may be the 3 best coaches in the conference....you'll have to 'see' but their resumes are building fast!