USF vs. BYU for the National Championship?

[Guest]

one loss SEC team or one loss USC will get in ahead of us if we go undefeated.

Sorry. I disagree.  The computers will keep them behind us.

[Cow Pie]

Yes, if only in close losses. But if they blow each other out, then I can't see justification in a one-loss team being ranked higher than say a USF or BYU team that wins solidly. It's going to be very interesting as things go forward from here.

Given the track record of the NCAA with putting 1 or 2 loss teams in NC games while an UD team sits at 2 is a sure thing. If it came down to a 2 loss Florida, Ohio State, Auburn, Georgia, USC at #3 and a UD USF at #2 to play in the NC then the 2 loss team would go to the NC and we would go to the runner up bowl.

The NCAA Bowl committee bases their decision on historic programs over new ones, this is why Notre Dame always gets into a bowl game despite being ranked very low or not at all.

Until the BE gets tougher OR we whip some big teams like Miami had to do threw out the 1980's in order to become a national powerhouse team, then we are going to get the shaft.

A quick fix would be getting Notre Dame to play in the BE since the NCAA Bowl Committee has a constant woody for them, and the BCS computer gives them a bunch of SOS points just for being Notre Dame...

and like it or not Marshall according to the BCS SOS is worth some decent points, because like Notre Dame they get rewarded for their history, over the past few years they were worth more then some of our ranked BE foes, I think last year they had about the same SOS points as Pitt despite having a worse record.

Another quick fix would be adding East Carolina, they have beaten Miami about 3-4 times, once at the original Orange Bowl in the 1990's and that's while they were good, and have recently began to be the "upset" team.

The best way to get into the NC is for the BE to add some schools that carry with them decent SOS points. The polls can go jump in a creek, the real decider is the BCS Computer.

[Guest]

Dave Curtis of the Sporting News has an interesting article about this... and actually mentions USF & BYU...

Who plays for the national title?

Haven't you learned anything? At this point, we might as well have a raffle. In fact, we just wrote each of the Top 25 teams on a slip of paper and dumped them in Syracuse ball cap. This morning's winners: Brigham Young and South Florida. Those are as good a bets as any at this point.

One last time: It's a complete crapshoot to determine the teams who will meet January 8 in Miami. Neither Southern Cal nor Ohio State is out of the conversation yet. But since you forced our hands, and you'd like some logic in your Internet reports, here are our favorites, as of September 26:

• Oklahoma, which has the nation's most complete team

• Florida, which has the most favorable schedule of the top teams.

Then again, on Thursday afternoon, Southern Cal's schedule looked cozy, too.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=463120

[Orlando Bull]

Yes, if only in close losses. But if they blow each other out, then I can't see justification in a one-loss team being ranked higher than say a USF or BYU team that wins solidly. It's going to be very interesting as things go forward from here.

Given the track record of the NCAA with putting 1 or 2 loss teams in NC games while an UD team sits at 2 is a sure thing. If it came down to a 2 loss Florida, Ohio State, Auburn, Georgia, USC at #3 and a UD USF at #2 to play in the NC then the 2 loss team would go to the NC and we would go to the runner up bowl.

The NCAA Bowl committee bases their decision on historic programs over new ones, this is why Notre Dame always gets into a bowl game despite being ranked very low or not at all.

Until the BE gets tougher OR we whip some big teams like Miami had to do threw out the 1980's in order to become a national powerhouse team, then we are going to get the shaft.

A quick fix would be getting Notre Dame to play in the BE since the NCAA Bowl Committee has a constant woody for them, and the BCS computer gives them a bunch of SOS points just for being Notre Dame...

and like it or not Marshall according to the BCS SOS is worth some decent points, because like Notre Dame they get rewarded for their history, over the past few years they were worth more then some of our ranked BE foes, I think last year they had about the same SOS points as Pitt despite having a worse record.

Another quick fix would be adding East Carolina, they have beaten Miami about 3-4 times, once at the original Orange Bowl in the 1990's and that's while they were good, and have recently began to be the "upset" team.

The best way to get into the NC is for the BE to add some schools that carry with them decent SOS points. The polls can go jump in a creek, the real decider is the BCS Computer.

Now you're saying a 2 loss team goes ahead of an undefeated USF? Not going to happen. This is why the BCS was created. Maybe a 1-loss team, but if every other team has 2 losses, USF will be ranked No. 1 in the BCS poll.

Bottom line, if we lose even 1 game, we're 99% out. Until we lose a game, we're still in the hunt to play for the National Championship. No amount of debating changes that. We're in the hunt, and that's all that matters right now. Keep winning Bulls and lets see what happens.

[Guest]

Yes, if only in close losses. But if they blow each other out, then I can't see justification in a one-loss team being ranked higher than say a USF or BYU team that wins solidly. It's going to be very interesting as things go forward from here.

Given the track record of the NCAA with putting 1 or 2 loss teams in NC games while an UD team sits at 2 is a sure thing. If it came down to a 2 loss Florida, Ohio State, Auburn, Georgia, USC at #3 and a UD USF at #2 to play in the NC then the 2 loss team would go to the NC and we would go to the runner up bowl.

"Track record for putting 2 loss teams in the NC..." ???

That record is one.

One.

ONE! 

You see, last year there was exactly one team with zero losses (Hawaii) and only two teams with a single loss (Ohio State & Kansas).  So LSU was the top-ranked two-loss team (because every other team in the nation besides these three lost two or more games)

(And it wasn't "the NCAA" ... it was the BCS.)

The NCAA Bowl committee bases their decision on historic programs over new ones, this is why Notre Dame always gets into a bowl game despite being ranked very low or not at all.

Except the BCS is not determined some mythical "NCAA Bowl Committee"  ... you are RIGHT that the various individual (non-NCAA) Bowl Committees prefer teams that are known by the public... for ticket sales and TV viewers... but that has nothing to do with the National Championship game.

Until the BE gets tougher OR we whip some big teams like Miami had to do threw out the 1980's in order to become a national powerhouse team, then we are going to get the shaft.

Now here you are right to be skeptical of our chances.  If USF is one of three teams that are undefeated, we would probably be left out... Coaches and Harris pollsters could do that.  But it's not a given if USF is one of only two undefeated teams...

A quick fix would be getting Notre Dame to play in the BE since the NCAA Bowl Committee has a constant woody for them, and the BCS computer gives them a bunch of SOS points just for being Notre Dame...

and like it or not Marshall according to the BCS SOS is worth some decent points, because like Notre Dame they get rewarded for their history, over the past few years they were worth more then some of our ranked BE foes, I think last year they had about the same SOS points as Pitt despite having a worse record.

Another quick fix would be adding East Carolina, they have beaten Miami about 3-4 times, once at the original Orange Bowl in the 1990's and that's while they were good, and have recently began to be the "upset" team.

The best way to get into the NC is for the BE to add some schools that carry with them decent SOS points. The polls can go jump in a creek, the real decider is the BCS Computer.

The Big East will not be expanding in the next decade. We can debate the who and why, but it simply will not be happening.

[Joe]

I wouldn't bank on that Jim.

But let's not debate that here

[RSSMOOTH]

Hypothetically speaking of course, if we were to go to the National Title game, which team would you rather face? Oklahoma, UF, or Georgia?

[Feld44]

It won't ever happen just like Oregon State won't beat USC......er....whoops! Theres always a chance folks!

[bulls96go]

Hypothetically speaking of course, if we were to go to the National Title game, which team would you rather face? Oklahoma, UF, or Georgia?

NC State...Just win Jim!

[Sunil]

Given the track record of the NCAA with putting 1 or 2 loss teams in NC games while an UD team sits at 2 is a sure thing. If it came down to a 2 loss Florida, Ohio State, Auburn, Georgia, USC at #3 and a UD USF at #2 to play in the NC then the 2 loss team would go to the NC and we would go to the runner up bowl.

Which BCS teams with 1 or 2 losses leap frogged an undefeated BCS school? i think you need to check that. Not trying to be a jerk...but you seem to have alot of rage against the NCAA establishment which just isn't supported by facts. (The really controversial years I can think of: In 2003 there were Three 1-loss teams before the championship game...and in 2004 there were 3 undefeateds not including non BCS Utah. Last year there were no undefeateds at all. Is there another instance you are pointing to?)

Last year proved that if we win out and there are no other undefeateds...we will be there. But first let's take care of NC State.