We can have an OCS today. Here's how

[BULLfreak]

great IDEA but it would never work. I also dont see how USF is going to be able to charge for parking with a OCS. When we get a OCS parking is going to be like it was at Auburn a free for all and first come first served.

[bullwark]

The fact is the Bulls will have to play at RayJay for a while.  In time USF will have enough alumni that have attended games as students to boost attendance and donation amounts that would make building an OCS feasible, unforntunately that time is not now.

[USFMikeB]

great IDEA but it would never work. I also dont see how USF is going to be able to charge for parking with a OCS. When we get a OCS parking is going to be like it was at Auburn a free for all and first come first served.

Actual parking lots will end up going to season ticket holders and others willing to pay to park.  The rest of the campus and surrounding neighborhoods would be a free for all.

[USFMikeB]

Well thought out proposal with lots of interesting ideas.  To make every single one of them happen is beyond highly unlikely.  USF will need sustained increased attendance, money from the state, and a couple of big booster donations to make a stadium happen.  We're easily ten years out.

Sustained increased attendance and boosters are going to be the real triggers for an OCS.

[Cubanbull]

Nice idea but the days of pro teams sharing stadiums is over. The reality is that for them to make BIG money and be competitive they need their own stadium and keep all revenue.

I think the best bet for USF is to stay at RJs for next 5-10 years build a base where sellouts at 60K+ RJS is a normal occuance with 30-40k in season ticket holders. That would make it feasible to build a larger stadium on campus. But USF should get better financial terms with RJS

[tilden61]

If USF is going to be alll i think in the near future an OCS would have to be at least 80,000+ From what i see USF has already out-grown RayJay when ever we play the really big games. EX.- W.V.,The Ville,Miami, Rutgers we will be in a position to sell 80,000+. A step back would be 65,000 seat OCS the goals are much bigger then just B.E.C.  In the mean time would love to see Ray Jay enclose to 80,000+

[WoolyBully]

If USF is going to be alll i think in the near future an OCS would have to be at least 80,000+ From what i see USF has already out-grown RayJay when ever we play the really big games. EX.- W.V.,The Ville,Miami, Rutgers we will be in a position to sell 80,000+. A step back would be 65,000 seat OCS the goals are much bigger then just B.E.C.  In the mean time would love to see Ray Jay enclose to 80,000+

80K....Hmmm...well, that would be about 15K more than the stadium holds. We haven't "outgrown" RayJ, given that thus far all we have done is open the upper deck for an excess of 40K in the lower bowl (and a season ticket base +/- 20K).

[Bullpride08]

Very well thought out but in the end, just as your name suggest, its full of bull. 

I won't go over the proposal fualts except to say that its way too complicated for everyone involved.

Besides, I actually like their "stadium on the bay" proposal.

Definitely lots of flaws in his numbers, it would never cost us $280M to build even what UM is proposing because they paid $50M for the land, and the obvious construction cost differential between the MW and FL.  With that being said the premise is the same, but the reality is we're still building a ticket base, and RayJay provides for that now.  Win a few more years, win the BE, and then feasibility studies can look at a 40-50k annual ticket sale, not including students, which would garner $1-2M in revenue per game alone.  With six home games that's roughly $10M and could easily support $100M in tax exempt bonds...still need to raise equity.

Not worth worrying about it unless TSA persists to be pests like the Citrus Bowl was to UCF.  Then hope it rallies Genshaft like Hitt got involved with UCF's stadium plans.  Once that happens the prospects become much brighter- Genshaft is the key component because her fundraising for our University sucks up lots of the dollars for USF each year.  Until then just keep an eye on the TSA negotiations to see how they progress.

[Bullpride08]

Well thought out proposal with lots of interesting ideas.  To make every single one of them happen is beyond highly unlikely.  USF will need sustained increased attendance, money from the state, and a couple of big booster donations to make a stadium happen.  We're easily ten years out.

All are possible if Genshaft gets involved.  State monies might be far fetched but there are ways to skin that cat by incorporating University use into the designs.  With that being said $280M is way off, no way it would cost that much or would we be able to quite put something like that together.  Ten years out is probably the goal but if TSA makes our lives miserable they may accelerate the timeframe and involve Genshaft, the sleeping giant in this equation.  If she gets behind it then the world changes and we start to talk.  Until then if it's just an Athletic Department 'wish list' item then the ten year window is probable.  Not because they can't as much as you say that attendance and scalability needs to be incorporated to insure we meeting demands.

[JrGMan2004]

The problem with dual use would be scheduling... the Rays would need the stadium a heck of a lot more than USF, and would expect to split a lot of the revenue...

Sorry, FOB.  This one is even farther than Tampa Bay getting the Olympics.

And besides that... you can usually design a stadium to be good for baseball and usable for football or good for football and usable for baseball... go look at Pro Player Stadium for a great example...