Seeding

[bcgruber]

Does anyone know who we need to win between UAB v SMU to have Memphis be the 6 seed?

[bcgruber]

If I did the tie breaker correct I think we need smu to win that would make them the 4 UAB tthe 5 Memphis 6

[USFDan]

What’s the tiebreaker? They split head to head and both lost to USF. Memphis was 1-1 and SMU 0-1 against FAU but reading the tiebreaker, I don’t think Memphis’s win breaks the tie since SMU only played FAU once. unless I’m reading it wrong.
 

Two Teams Tied section 2.b.ii

https://theamerican.org/documents/2024/3/3/2024_Basketball_Tiebreakers.pdf

 

[bcgruber]

25 minutes ago, USFDan said:

What’s the tiebreaker? They split head to head and both lost to USF. Memphis was 1-1 and SMU 0-1 against FAU but reading the tiebreaker, I don’t think Memphis’s win breaks the tie since SMU only played FAU once. unless I’m reading it wrong.
 

Two Teams Tied section 2.b.ii

https://theamerican.org/documents/2024/3/3/2024_Basketball_Tiebreakers.pdf

 

I think it would between the records agaisnt USF Charlotte, and FAU combined

[Jim Johnson]

Memphis' 1-1 record against FAU gives them the tie breaker over SMU.  UAB's victory over USF, gives them the tie breaker over Memphis.

Therefore . . .

If SMU wins
#4 SMU
#5 UAB
#6 Memphis

If UAB Wins
#4 UAB
#5 Memphis
#6 SMU

Edited March 10 by Jim Johnson

[bcgruber]

9 minutes ago, bcgruber said:

I think it would between the records agaisnt USF Charlotte, and FAU combined

I think you are right so under this scanario we want SMU to win that would give them the 4 seed.  UAB would be the 5 since they beat us.  If UAB wins and is the 4 seed then memphis would be the 5 and smu the 6.  SMU seems to be playing for more but the game is at UAB.  lots in that game since its for a double bye

[Jim Johnson]

  

12 hours ago, bcgruber said:

I think it would between the records agaisnt USF Charlotte, and FAU combined

No, it's one at a time.

12 hours ago, Jim Johnson said:

Memphis' 1-1 record against FAU gives them the tie breaker over SMU.  UAB's victory over USF, gives them the tie breaker over Memphis.

Therefore . . .

If SMU wins
#4 SMU
#5 UAB
#6 Memphis

If UAB Wins
#4 UAB
#5 Memphis
#6 SMU

I missed something in the tiebreaker if UAB wins, because SMU has already played (and beaten) UAB once... and the tie breaking procedures (as pointed out to me on another message board) says when one team is 1-1 and the other is 1-0 or 0-1, that team is skipped.

So this is the procedure between SMU and Memphis, if UAB wins - it comes down to who finishes #10.  UTSA with a win; Tulane with a Temple win.

#1 USF - Both 0-1
#2 FAU - Memphis 1-1, SMU 1-0
#3 Charlotte - Both 1-0
#4 UAB - Memphis 1-0, SMU 1-1
#7 UNT - SMU 1-1, Memphis 0-1
#8 ECU - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-0
#9 Tulsa - Both 1-0

Possible #10 seeds:
UTSA - Memphis 1-0, SMU 0-1 ... UAB + UTSA win = #5 Memphis and #6 SMU
Tulane - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-1 ... UAB + Temple win = #5 SMU and #6 Memphis

 

 

[flsportsfan83]

1 hour ago, Jim Johnson said:

  

No, it's one at a time.

I missed something in the tiebreaker if UAB wins, because SMU has already played (and beaten) UAB once... and the tie breaking procedures (as pointed out to me on another message board) says when one team is 1-1 and the other is 1-0 or 0-1, that team is skipped.

So this is the procedure between SMU and Memphis, if UAB wins - it comes down to who finishes #10.  UTSA with a win; Tulane with a Temple win.

#1 USF - Both 0-1
#2 FAU - Memphis 1-1, SMU 1-0
#3 Charlotte - Both 1-0
#4 UAB - Memphis 1-0, SMU 1-1
#7 UNT - SMU 1-1, Memphis 0-1
#8 ECU - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-0
#9 Tulsa - Both 1-0

Possible #10 seeds:
UTSA - Memphis 1-0, SMU 0-1 ... UAB + UTSA win = #5 Memphis and #6 SMU
Tulane - SMU 2-0, Memphis 1-1 ... UAB + Temple win = #5 SMU and #6 Memphis

 

 

They are both 11-6 now, after the game tie breakers wont apply as one will be 12-6 and the other 11-7

[Jim Johnson]

2 hours ago, flsportsfan83 said:

They are both 11-6 now, after the game tie breakers wont apply as one will be 12-6 and the other 11-7

UAB and SMU, right.

The loser will be 11-7 with Memphis.

[Jim Johnson]

I missed this part of the tiebeaker:

When comparing records against a single team or collective tied teams (before ties are broken

So it's not just Tulane, but all of the 5-13 teams. Both Memphis and SMU are 4-2 against those five teams.

So then it reverts back to the record against FAU because of part d:

d. If the tie cannot be broken after continuing down through the last team or teams in the
standings, revert back to comparing records against the top teams in order and allow
winning percentage to prevail even if there is a comparison of unequal games. Only then,
if the percentages are both 1.000, is 2-0 better than 1-0. However, the reverse is not true
– no team gains advantage when all have a .000 winning percentage (0-1 is never better
than 0-2).

Thus, Memphis #5.

Edited March 10 by Jim Johnson