Athlon is out . . .

[Omniscientbull]

No point spread, come on......Vegas baby!

I think it's too close to call so I'd hold onto my money.  I certainly don't think either team is a run away favorite.  However, I'm certain Vegas will have PSU by 10 or more.

[Ricky the Bull]

Here is the estimated outcome based on last year's stats:

http://sports.statsoverload.com/ptemp?Team1=2423&Team2=606&y=2004&TID=39902&LEAGUE=NCAA+Division+I-A&cobrand=stats.staugustine.com

[NAM37]

Here is the estimated outcome based on last year's stats:

http://sports.statsoverload.com/ptemp?Team1=2423&Team2=606&y=2004&TID=39902&LEAGUE=NCAA+Division+I-A&cobrand=stats.staugustine.com

In that case, I say we don't even play!

[Sitting_BULL]

I'm certain Vegas will have PSU by 10 or more.

And I think Vegas would be correct.  Although I think it will be more than 10 points.

Listen, nobody hopes we win my than I but, I remember last year so many were just sure we could beat South Carolina, they pounded us like cheap w hores!

Well PSU is no S Car, they're better!!!

[Ricky the Bull]

In that case, I say we don't even play!

Just as we shouldn't play when Vegas has us as the dogs.

The stats are interesting, however.  You can truly see how bad their offense was.

[S p e n c e]

Thier Defense is certainly better than SC.  I am guessing the Penn State game will be similar to TCU in '03 when we lost 13-10.  It will be a low scoring game with both offenses struggling.  

[DENVERBULL]

According to Penn St.'s preditions thread, most of their posters have us losing by 35 pts or more.  Either they believe their offense has greatly improved, or they think our defense will be as bad as last year. This is the team that lost 4-2 at home to Iowa right?

http://mb8.scout.com/fpennstatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=15208.topic

[Jim Johnson]

According to Penn St.'s preditions thread, most of their posters have us losing by 35 pts or more.  Either they believe their offense has greatly improved, or they think our defense will be as bad as last year. This is the team that lost 4-2 at home to Iowa right?

http://mb8.scout.com/fpennstatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=15208.topic

They lost to Iowa 4-6 ... and that was their Homecoming game.

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Some things to think about from 2004...

[table]

[tr][td]Stat[/td][td]USF[/td][td]USF Opp[/td][td]PSU[/td][td]PSU Opp[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Points Per Game[/td][td]24.6[/td][td]31.9[/td][td]17.7[/td][td]15.3[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Rush Yds/Gm[/td][td]187.8[/td][td]150.5[/td][td]129.9[/td][td]129.3[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Pass Yds/Gm[/td][td]165.5[/td][td]248[/td][td]180.8[/td][td]162.3[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Turnovers[/td][td]21 (11 Int-10 Fumbles)[/td][td]11 (4 Int-7 Fumbles)[/td][td]27 (19 Int-8 Fumbles)[/td][td]24 (16 Int-8 Fumbles)[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Touchdowns[/td][td]35[/td][td]45[/td][td]24[/td][td]18[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]3rd Down Conv[/td][td]61/153 (40%)[/td][td]77/168 (46%)[/td][td]58/156 (37%)[/td][td]67/172 (39%)[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Sacks[/td][td]23[/td][td]26[/td][td]19[/td][td]19[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]Penalties[/td][td]105 (890 yds)[/td][td]73 (568 yds)[/td][td]62 (507 yds)[/td][td]72 (542 yds)[/td][/tr]

[/table]

[DENVERBULL]

They lost to Iowa 4-6 ... and that was their Homecoming game.

Ah that's right.  I knew it was a whacky score.  They had the #10 defense last year and return everyone so I can understand their fans thinking shutout, but scoring eight touchdowns?  Let's hope not.

[ChiTownBull]

I think if it low scoring we can keep it close but if they get up by 2tds we might be on the verge of getting blown out.

We need to step it up and beat a BCS team other than Pitt on the road.

We had good luck in PA in 2001 now we need to do it again!