Critiera for expansion - as explained by Joe Paterno

[Jim Johnson]

Perhaps this will make people understand how schools view expansion...

[Penn State Athletic Director Tim] Curley said the school has benefited as much academically from its Big Ten affiliation as it has athletically.

"If you can do that in an expansion, then you've hit a home run on both sides of the plate," he said. "When you try to look at who may be new partners to join, certainly the academic piece is very, very important."

[Joe] Paterno has been ill the last couple weeks with a stomach flu and missed Big Ten meetings in Chicago last week. But the Hall of Fame coach who has been one of the most vocal proponents of expansion is clear about what schools might make the best candidates.

"It's not a question of just bringing somebody in that you're just going to kick around," Paterno said last month. "It's a question of bringing someone in who can handle the academics, the research, AAU schools, people with a commitment to the women's sports, a commitment to all sports programs, a commitment to the ideals of what intercollegiate athletics should be all about."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/05/28/penn.state.expansion.ap/index.html

Now Penn State is talking about the Big Ten... but ALL schools share this perspective. We fans may think about it in other ways... but schools consider every angle.

[tampabull]

EXACTLY THAT IS WHY ALL THESE ARMAGEDDON POST ARE LAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEE.  The only teams that will be invited or get accepted(technically schools have to apply for admission) will be if the are apart of the AAU, or have top notch academics.

[Guest]

EXACTLY THAT IS WHY ALL THESE ARMAGEDDON POST ARE LAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEE.  The only teams that will be invited or get accepted(technically schools have to apply for admission) will be if the are apart of the AAU, or have top notch academics.

But it's also the kind of thing that OTHER conferences will be looking for in potential replacements....

[Oldsmobull]

Stony Brook is a member of the AAU, maybe they'll be invited to join the Big Ten?

http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476

Too, USF has the goal of attaining AAU membership written right into USF's "Vision Statement."

Of course seeking membership and gaining membership are two different things, but at least USF is working on it and has getting in the AAU in USF's strategic plan.  Georgia Tech just got in the AAU about a month ago, 10 years after the last 2 schools previously gained AAU membership--AAU is in no rush adding new member schools.  http://www.ods.usf.edu/Plans/Strategic/vision-mission.htm

[Mama_Bull]

Making progress.

http://www.ods.usf.edu/Plans/Strategic/docs/USF-Planning-Metrics-Matrix-2007.pdf

[tampabull]

Making progress.

http://www.ods.usf.edu/Plans/Strategic/docs/USF-Planning-Metrics-Matrix-2007.pdf

Hard to believe the university has only been around for 54 years.

[Mama_Bull]

Making progress.

http://www.ods.usf.edu/Plans/Strategic/docs/USF-Planning-Metrics-Matrix-2007.pdf

Hard to believe the university has only been around for 54 years.

Pretty amazing how far USF has come in such a short period.

Institution Year Founded

*Rutgers University (Public) 1766

*University of Pittsburgh (Public) 1787

Georgetown University (Private) 1789

University of Louisville (Public) 1813

University of Cincinnati (Public) 1819

University of Notre Dame (Private) 1842

Villanova University (Private) 1843

Seton Hall University (Private) 1856

West Virginia University (Public) 1867

St. John’s University (Private) 1870

*Syracuse University (Private) 1870

Marquette University (Private) 1881

University of Connecticut (Public) 1881

DePaul University (Private) 1898

Providence College (Private) 1921

University of South Florida (Public) 1956

Source: University websites, 2009

*Member of the Association of American Universities (AAU)

http://www.ie.usf.edu/BigEast/USFBigEast.pdf

Points of Pride

The UNSTOPPABLE people, programs, ideas, research,

and solutions that are the University of South Florida.

http://files.acad.usf.edu/Presentations-Reports/misc/USF-Points-of-Pride.pdf

[dabull80]

Didn't we have another thread that morphed into this disscussion ?  I said then that acedemics plays a much bigger role then alot of us think.

[Mama_Bull]

Interesting article.

April 21, 2010

As AAU Admits Georgia Tech to Its Exclusive Club, Other Universities Await the Call

http://chronicle.com/article/As-AAU-Admits-Georgia-Tech-to/65200/

That article states:

Research heavyweights that can make good arguments for joining the AAU include, but are hardly limited to,

Boston University, (#71)

Dartmouth College, (#96)

Louisiana State University at Baton Rouge, (#43)

North Carolina State University, (#47)

the University of Cincinnati, (#53)

the University of Georgia, (#51)

the University of Miami. (#78)

Officials at several of those institutions acknowledge that they would like to join the club.

"The AAU is the pre-eminent research-intensive membership group," says William R. (Randy) Woodson, North Carolina State's chancellor. "To be a part of that organization is something N.C. State aspires to."

Perks of Membership

Athletics conferences double as academic peer groups, and give a glimpse into the pecking order among research universities. Among the Bowl Championship Series conferences, Southern institutions seem particularly underrepresented in the AAU. All of the Big Ten universities are members, while only the University of Florida and Vanderbilt University get the nod from the Southeastern Conference.

USF (#64) is not mentioned in the article, but the fact that there is wide acknowledgment that southern universities are clearly underepresented in the AAU, puts us in a good position for future membership, if we continue to improve our profile.

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf10311/pdf/tab27.pdf

[Cow Pie]

Making progress.

http://www.ods.usf.edu/Plans/Strategic/docs/USF-Planning-Metrics-Matrix-2007.pdf

Hard to believe the university has only been around for 54 years.

Pretty amazing how far USF has come in such a short period.

Institution Year Founded

*Rutgers University (Public) 1766

*University of Pittsburgh (Public) 1787

Georgetown University (Private) 1789

University of Louisville (Public) 1813

University of Cincinnati (Public) 1819

University of Notre Dame (Private) 1842

Villanova University (Private) 1843

Seton Hall University (Private) 1856

West Virginia University (Public) 1867

St. John’s University (Private) 1870

*Syracuse University (Private) 1870

Marquette University (Private) 1881

University of Connecticut (Public) 1881

DePaul University (Private) 1898

Providence College (Private) 1921

University of South Florida (Public) 1956

Source: University websites, 2009

*Member of the Association of American Universities (AAU)

http://www.ie.usf.edu/BigEast/USFBigEast.pdf

Points of Pride

The UNSTOPPABLE people, programs, ideas, research,

and solutions that are the University of South Florida.

http://files.acad.usf.edu/Presentations-Reports/misc/USF-Points-of-Pride.pdf

USF came around at exactly the right time in history... the peak or golden era of the American civilization... if they would of came around any later or earlier then they would of just got lost in the mix.