How many true Freshman we have starting

[Bull94]

I would say that talent should play every time. how else does talent get experience? Our secondary stunk for 2 years when Jenks and Trae were playing their first 2 years but it paid off for the next 2 years.

[smazza]

wow, I just didn't realize the separation between USF and the elite is that big.  We expect high recruits to play and contribute, they expect them to sit on the bench.

Don't get me wrong we are close, but I am guessing we are probably another 2-3 years away from only having freshman play because we can't keep their talent on the bench not because there is no one better.

please don't use lack of talent as an excuse.  we're tired of that excuse and it's been used before.  cincinnati won the big east with a backup QB with a broken hand last year.

We are not lacking Talent, we are lacking talent with experience.

Additionally I would say, Cincy is not an elite team.  Shannon is saying they are not there because they have a freshman playing... what does that say about us?

See you don't obviously understand talent by itself does not win games, speed and talent allows you to stay discipline and conservative to maintain position, but still make a play.  What you see with USF is a young team with TALENT.  There speed gets them more out of position than a less talented player or team and most of the time they can get back and still make the play.  See 65 yard QB draw for example.

So for an analogy, I played pro ball with the fastest guy I have ever seen in the outfield, tons of talent.  A ball would be hit to him and he would run 30 feet the wrong way then run back and still catch the ball.... most of the time.  He never figured it out and therefore never made it.

I would also venture to guess Experience will trump talent most days!  i.e Ben Moffitt

we are lacking talent

we are lacking coaching

you played with some stupid people and i am not surprised 

talent with experince is what  best teams usually have but that is overated if they are playing a team more talented

[Guest Scherdin]

wow, I just didn't realize the separation between USF and the elite is that big.  We expect high recruits to play and contribute, they expect them to sit on the bench.

Don't get me wrong we are close, but I am guessing we are probably another 2-3 years away from only having freshman play because we can't keep their talent on the bench not because there is no one better.

please don't use lack of talent as an excuse.  we're tired of that excuse and it's been used before.  cincinnati won the big east with a backup QB with a broken hand last year.

We are not lacking Talent, we are lacking talent with experience.

Additionally I would say, Cincy is not an elite team.  Shannon is saying they are not there because they have a freshman playing... what does that say about us?

See you don't obviously understand talent by itself does not win games, speed and talent allows you to stay discipline and conservative to maintain position, but still make a play.  What you see with USF is a young team with TALENT.  There speed gets them more out of position than a less talented player or team and most of the time they can get back and still make the play.  See 65 yard QB draw for example.

So for an analogy, I played pro ball with the fastest guy I have ever seen in the outfield, tons of talent.  A ball would be hit to him and he would run 30 feet the wrong way then run back and still catch the ball.... most of the time.  He never figured it out and therefore never made it.

I would also venture to guess Experience will trump talent most days!  i.e Ben Moffitt

we are lacking talent

we are lacking coaching

you played with some stupid people and i am not surprised 

talent with experince is what  best teams usually have but that is overated if they are playing a team more talented

I forget the origin of the quote, but there was a famous old ball coach that once stated you should expect to lose one game for every true freshman you start.  Maybe the times have changed.  GB!

that may have applied 10 years ago

look at all freshman playing in country----

look at matt barkley at usc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

look at all rookie qbs that perform in nfl last couple of years

USF SHOULD HAVE MANY MORE FRESHMAN STARTING BUT WE DONT DO A GOOD JOB RECRUITING

GIVE ME TALENT EVERYTIME OVER Experience

if freshman arent making big contribution they should red shirt

leavitt never seems to get this right

our recruiting stinks as we should have had a boatload of freshman playing

:snore

[Donno]

wow, I just didn't realize the separation between USF and the elite is that big.  We expect high recruits to play and contribute, they expect them to sit on the bench.

Don't get me wrong we are close, but I am guessing we are probably another 2-3 years away from only having freshman play because we can't keep their talent on the bench not because there is no one better.

please don't use lack of talent as an excuse.  we're tired of that excuse and it's been used before.  cincinnati won the big east with a backup QB with a broken hand last year.

We are not lacking Talent, we are lacking talent with experience.

Additionally I would say, Cincy is not an elite team.  Shannon is saying they are not there because they have a freshman playing... what does that say about us?

See you don't obviously understand talent by itself does not win games, speed and talent allows you to stay discipline and conservative to maintain position, but still make a play.  What you see with USF is a young team with TALENT.  There speed gets them more out of position than a less talented player or team and most of the time they can get back and still make the play.  See 65 yard QB draw for example.

So for an analogy, I played pro ball with the fastest guy I have ever seen in the outfield, tons of talent.  A ball would be hit to him and he would run 30 feet the wrong way then run back and still catch the ball.... most of the time.  He never figured it out and therefore never made it.

I would also venture to guess Experience will trump talent most days!  i.e Ben Moffitt

we are lacking talent

we are lacking coaching

you played with some stupid people and i am not surprised 

talent with experince is what  best teams usually have but that is overated if they are playing a team more talented

This is what I expect from someone who has never played a sport in their life.  Unfortunately there are tons of people who have talent but either are stupid or lack experience and you would know this if you ever played. Remember this, talent can get you out of position just as fast as it can put you in position.

At each level you move up, everyone has more talent, of course some more than others, but you have to do the most with your talent and that is what it takes, and unfortunately this comes with maturity and experience. 

That Pop Warner team you coach can dominate with talent, because talent is few and far between at that level.  I am sure you can equate with that but at Div 1 level the talent is there and experience pays off.

[Who'sYourData?]

I don't buy the idea that you shouldn't have any true freshman as major contributors.  True, you shouldn't have six or seven.  But the days of Alabama having 120 players on scholarship for football are long gone.  With the lower scholarship limits it's tough to maintain a talented two deep at every position without having a freshman in there somewhere.  Injuries and grades will hit at some position or another, and darn near every program will need to use the young guys at one position or another.