feast your eyes on the greatest

[Velcro]

sure i do, and alot of people agree with me... Smazz, it isn't me that is standing outside the majority on this one.

[___ Eats It]

I've yet to read an article from a source outside of San Francisco that states that Bonds is the greatest hitter of all time.

I've read TONS of articles that make that claim for Williams.

[Velcro]

The Balco stuff isn't helping bonds' reputation.  He may be feared, but it isn't for the right reasons.

[Apis Bull]

when all said and done bonds will be greatest homerun hitter of all time

wow- what an accomplishment

playing in hardest park to hit a homer and no one pitches to him

if he played in fenway he would have hit 900 homers and .400 every year

ted "headless'" WILLIAMS PLAYED IN THIS BANDBOX AND THINKS HE IS THE GREATEST

his stats are inflated playing in a little league park

Williams lost five prime playing years, due to his service in the war.

[Velcro]

If Williams did some roids and didn't miss 5 years of prime ball, he'd have 1500 homers playing in Fenway.

Bonds didn't play in the same park all his career... that park is brand new.

He's hit homers in Colorado and other hitters parks.  

There is no questioning his power... the questioning is where he got it at the age of 35+.  He didn't have it before 35, so why now.  And why is his head the size of a watermelon?  Its called Giantitis, a well known side effect of HGH.

Bonds will never bat 400, never would have.  He just doens't compare.

[Velcro]

Is Human Growth Hormone Therapy Dangerous?

an Article by Lisa Wells, RN

Even though human growth hormone therapy has become more and more popular over these past several years, you will still find some who warn of the dangers and side effects of taking human growth hormone. These types of opinions first came about after Dr. Rudman first released his very positive study of human growth hormone injections and its great benefits in reversing the effects of aging in 1990.

There always seems to be critics when anything new is introduced. One reason why human growth hormone therapy in adults has been criticized is because a venture into new and uncharted territory always frightens some and so the newness invites criticism. At the time Dr. Rudman's article first appeared in the "New England Journal of Medicine" HGH was thought to be only a hormone of growth and development in children. It caused quite a stir when he showed his esteemed colleagues that they had been wrong in labeling human growth hormone as unimportant in adults.

Also, many people believe that aging is a natural occurrence and so it should not be manipulated because that would go against nature or the divine plan. However, we were born with an instinct to survive and so why shouldn't we wish to prevent or lessen the damage brought on the body by the aging process? Why wouldn't we rather spend our later years being active and in good health, rather than being ill and bedridden?

There are various reasons why some people may gasp when you say you are considering HGH therapy. HGH was only approved for use in adults in 1996 and so there are still many physicians who are not aware of the new uses of HGH. Also, from working with physicians for many years I can say that some do not like change, especially if they are not involved in that change. They can be hard to persuade and some of them automatically have a negative opinion of anything that is different than what they were taught, and what they are familiar with.

Some of my own clients have informed me of negative opinions they have heard about HGH, things that frighten people and cause of them to not consider any type of HGH therapy. This is unfortunate because homeopathic HGH therapy is very effective, and it is very safe. Homeopathy has not caused harm in over 200 years of use. This is not true with traditional medicine and the medications physicians prescribe, including HGH injections. Many people have been harmed as a result of traditional medications.

HGH Injections versus Homeopathic HGH- Side Effects

Concerning the actual side effects of human growth hormone, first I must differentiate between the side effects that can be caused by the HGH injections and the side effects of non-injection HGH therapy such as Homeopathic HGH. Again, Homeopathic HGH will not cause the side effects that can be seen with the injections.

The reason is because the injections deliver a full dose of synthetic HGH into the body, it replaces the HGH usually produced and released by the pituitary gland. Homeopathic HGH works by using a homeopathic formulation that contains HGH in homeopathic form only. Homeopathic HGH therapy does not need nor try to provide the body with a dose of HGH and so it cannot cause the side effects injections can cause.

Homeopathic HGH works by helping the pituitary gland to produce and release more of its own HGH, which is a much more safe, affordable, and smart choice for adult HGH therapy.

One possible major side effect of taking HGH injections is the patient's pituitary gland becoming lazy, or even atrophied from lack of use. This can happen with the injections because, again, the injections provide the body with a full dose of HGH from an outside source. Because the body is receiving enough human growth hormone from a needle the pituitary gland no longer needs to produce and release HGH. The pituitary gland will not produce and release over and above the amount of HGH needed so it will decrease its production and release of HGH if the patient is taking injections.

For those who are still fairly young and healthy it is not a healthy decision to decide to take the injections and in so doing cause your pituitary gland to decrease the production and release of its own HGH, you should not want to become dependant on injections at your age. It is much better to help your own body (pituitary gland) to produce and release an adequate supply of its own HGH. This can be done safely and effectively with Homeopathic HGH.

Consider This- if You Wish To Take HGH Injections!

You were just told by your doctor that you are diabetic. Your doctor has placed you on diabetic medication, a diabetic pill that will help your pancreas to produce and release more of its own insulin, but you tell your doctor that you do not want to take the diabetic pills, instead you wish to take insulin injections! Doesn't that sound strange? If you have a functioning pituitary gland that can increase its production and release of HGH with some help yet you choose to take the HGH injections anyway you will be doing the same thing as you would if you chose to take insulin injections even though you didn't need them!

Of course most people would rather not be dependant on insulin injections for the rest of their lives, if they didn't have to be, so why would anyone prefer to make themselves dependant on HGH injections if it was not medically necessary?

If the diabetic medication helps your pancreas to produce the needed amount of insulin then the results on the body should be better than if you had to take insulin injections because the body will always prefer the hormones it makes itself over hormones from an outside source, the same goes for human growth hormone, the body will always prefer its own HGH over synthetic HGH.

I cannot imagine why anyone would rather take synthetic HGH injections over taking a Homeopathic HGH product to help increase their own HGH!

Side Effects of HGH Injections Only!

The side effects seen with HGH injections are usually seen in subjects who treat themselves with black market HGH injections and take larger doses than recommended. For instance, athletes looking to gain superhuman strength and muscle size have been known to treat themselves with HGH injections. Some take massive doses and so they are at risk for these major side effects:

Acromegaly with increased incidence of heart attack and death,

Edema and Fluid Retention,

Liver Damage,

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome,

Painful Joints,

Gynecomastia (enlarged breasts)

Acromegaly has been seen in subjects who have taken too much HGH injection. Acromegaly is a dangerous disease with increased incidence of heart attack and death.

Other sides effects such as water retention and carpal tunnel syndrome have also been seen when large doses of HGH injection were taken. In Dr. Rudman's studies the benefits were striking, but there were some uncomfortable side effects also, including carpal tunnel syndrome, and gynecomastia, or enlarged breast.

Dr. Rudman himself realized that the dosages he originally used in those studies were too large. He wrote, "The results of our clinical trials with HGH have revealed the optimum hormone dose is only one quarter to one half as great as was previously believed, all the beneficial effects should be retained without any adverse side effects."

Since Dr. Rudman's study other studies have been done with smaller doses of HGH injections and the side effects were decreased.

If one is determined to take HGH injections then it is imperative that they consult a doctor who is knowledgeable and experienced with managing HGH injection therapy. This will decrease the risks of side effects.

Common Concerns About Human Growth Hormone

Human Growth Hormone overdose can cause acromegaly-

Andre' the Giant was an acromegalic. He was born with a pituitary defect that caused his pituitary gland to pour abnormally large amounts of HGH into his system. This caused him to grow very tall and to have superhuman strength, but it also caused an increased risk of heart disease. Andre' died shortly after age 47.

Athletes who pump themselves with massive doses of HGH injection risk this same fate. Acromegaly is not a side effect of human growth hormone use. It is a direct result of deliberate and continuous overdosing, doing everything the hormone is suppose to do, but to great excess due to the overdosing.

Human Growth Hormone is not an anabolic steroid but has similar effects-

Anabolic steroids are synthetic products that act in the body like male sex hormones; they do not exist in nature.

Human Growth Hormone is not a steroid. It is a naturally occurring substance made by the pituitary gland, necessary for growth and development in childhood, and a very essential part of maintaining normal body composition and function throughout the life cycle, but human growth hormone and steroids do have the same effects on body composition, decreasing fat and increasing muscle mass.

HGH injection has become the drug of choice among athletes who are always trying to build more strength and muscle mass the easy way because HGH injections cannot be detected in urine drug tests. Many athletes now abuse HGH injections as they abused anabolic steroids.

Human Growth Hormone overdose can cause edema and carpal tunnel syndrome-

Carpal tunnel syndrome and joint aches and pains are all due to the water retention effects of HGH. Again, these are side effects that have occurred when the dosages of HGH injections have been too large.

Dr. Rudman found that the dosages he used caused these symptoms in some patients. The dosages used in his study were several times more than the dosages that are now recommended.

Article written by Lisa Wells, RN.

http://www.hgh-pro.com/hghsideeffects.html

[Velcro]

How do broadcasters deal with the steroid issue?

From the New York Times

As fans derisively chanted "Balco! Balco!" at Jason Giambi during the fourth inning of the Yankees-Red Sox game Friday night at Fenway Park, Fox's Joe Buck felt he could not avoid discussing the steroids issue that threatens baseball's credibility.

Buck noted that Giambi, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds "haven't been charged with anything." They were among about a dozen athletes who testified before the federal grand jury that investigated the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, a supplements maker known as Balco, and handed down four indictments, including two company executives and Bonds's trainer.

Buck and Tim McCarver's discussion of the steroids scandal — from the stain on baseball's image caused by the more than 5 percent of players tested whose urine came back positive for steroids, to the impact on records set by steroid users — was necessary and largely perfunctory.

McCarver suggested that Mark McGwire's 70-home run season in 1998 "could have been steroid-induced" by androstenedione, a supplement described as a steroid precursor whose distribution the federal government is seeking to ban.

"And it's not just hitters who've taken steroids, it's also pitchers," Buck added.

Their discussion raised questions about how game announcers should deal with the issue. Announcers at Buck's and McCarver's level want to be fair, and they prepare diligently, but they are not working journalists expected to investigate steroid usage.

"As a broadcaster, I want to do a game; I don't want to talk about steroids," Buck said yesterday during Fox's annual baseball production seminar in Manhattan. "I don't care about Balco."

But hearing obvious lead-ins, like the "Balco!" chant, or seeing the change in Bonds's physique compels Buck to speak. He believes that his failure to comment will prompt criticism, especially on a broadcast like Friday's that was specially added to Fox's regular-season schedule, which begins May 22.

Buck said he cannot fail to notice "someone the size of Barry Bonds, a guy so gigantic his head looks like it's going to pop off," then added: "It's embarrassing when you roll a highlight of Bonds when he was with Pittsburgh. It's a different human being. How can you not say something about the difference in size?"

Mets pitcher Al Leiter does not think the Major League Baseball Players Association has effectively described the sport's steroid-testing program or made a sufficient public case for it.

Leiter, who did a star turn as an analyst last year during the National League Championship Series, turned to McCarver yesterday and said: "Timmy, do you know our steroid testing program? How it works?"

"No," McCarver said.

Leiter laid part of the blame for the failure to sell the program, as one that should be given a chance, on the perception that the players' union has a "condescending attitude." Clearly, Leiter is frustrated that the program is perceived as weak and that its provisions are not fully understood.

"Either we're not communicating it or we don't care," he said. He went on to defend the program as a legitimate one whose provisions have been ineffectively disseminated.

Gene Orza, the players association's chief operating officer, who attended the seminar, declined to put his responses on the record.

Ed Goren, the president of Fox Sports, cautioned to the group that announcers should deal with the steroids issue "efficiently and coherently," but that the challenge for them is how to call a game and somehow "in between pitches deal with this debate."

Still, the question is how much game announcers can add to the debate until more information is available. They should not ignore it, but they cannot harp on it. In the absence of news, repeating what has been reported is an unproductive exercise for an audience that prefers to watch games, which are cluttered by too many commercials and sponsored enhancements.

The best announcers can do for now is to familiarize themselves with the provisions of the steroid-testing program and the list of penalties, stay current with possible negotiations to stiffen the program, and remember that no ballplayer has been indicted or singled out by federal investigators.

[smazza]

buck is a jackass that got his job by being the son of a greaT ANNOUNCER.

IS THATWHERE YOU GOT THE NONSENSE ABOUT BONDS'S HEAD?

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN BONDS' HEAD SIZE.tHAT IS SO STUPID.

I WILL ASK   a neurologist this week and put an end to this one way or another

[Velcro]

You won't be able to put an end to this because the evidence is obvious.  You saying one thing means nothing.  

This issue won't go away... Bond's career is tainted in millions of peoples eyes... whether you see it or not, doesn't matter.

[___ Eats It]

Bonds head in Pittsburgh was normal size.

Bonds head in SF is the size of the spare tire on a Humvee.

Roid use is obvious.