JGBASEBALL92-94 Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 5 Content Count: 192 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/13/2005 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Great to watch the head grow year after year. That could win 1st prize at the science fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission9 Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 60 Content Count: 4,078 Reputation: 469 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2003 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Velcro, those photos don't mean a thing. Everyone knows when it come to steroid use proof is not what gets bigger, its what gets smaller . I do not think that these photos show any proof of something shrinking. Of course I do not want to see any either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 It is a combination of both... but you are right... i don't want to see the rest, but i think Bonds may end up showing everyone the rest in his reality show. Yet another reason to NOT WATCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Latest revelations seal the deal for Bonds' legacyBy Gene WojciechowskiESPN.comArchivePHOENIX -- In the end, there is only one question that needs to be asked:Do you believe Barry Bonds, or the book?If you believe Bonds, then you believe the third-leading home run hitter in the history of Major League Baseball is the victim of an unrelenting federal and media conspiracy designed to frame him for the use of performance-enhancing drugs.If you believe the excerpts of "Game of Shadows," then you believe that Bonds and his mind-boggling, bloated numbers of 1998-2004 (he missed most of last season with an injury) are a fraud.I believe the book. I think Bonds is -- or was -- a human Walgreens, a grotesque and insulting example of better baseball through chemistry. And I think he should slither away, joining Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Rafael Palmeiro in forced baseball exile.Bonds is finished. He might play again, but there is only a chalk outline left around his integrity and home run totals. And the only way he gets into Cooperstown is if he spends the $14.50 for a Hall of Fame admission ticket.Winstrol. Deca-Durabolin. Insulin. Testosterone decanoate. Human growth hormones. Norbolethone. Trenbolone. Clomid. These are the substances and steroids Bonds is alleged to have injected or ingested. They are the medicine cabinet of a cheater.This sign was up in September of last season. Expect more of the same.Clomid is prescribed to women for infertility. Trenbolone enhances the muscle tone of cattle. Deca-Durabolin is a medication used in the treatment of kidney failure-related amnesia. And yet, write "Game of Shadows" co-authors Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, Bonds did so with regularity and without remorse.Bonds always has been a drama king. He was insufferable in high school, insufferable at Arizona State, and insufferable now. But his statistics didn't come with a personality rating. Love him or loathe him, you simply couldn't argue with his talent. He arrived at the big leagues as a prodigy, a lithe, five-tool player. He will leave as a cautionary tale, an asterisk wearing a San Francisco Giants uniform.How can you not read the work of the two San Francisco Chronicle writers and not at least wonder if Bonds knew about the working end of a syringe. Either you're naïve or a member of the Bonds family.When asked Tuesday at the Giants' Scottsdale facility if he was aware of the contents of "Game of Shadows," Bonds told reporters, "Nope. I won't even look at it. For what? I won't even look at it. There's no need to."Here's guessing the Feds will. So will the IRS. So will his ex-wife's divorce attorney. So will MLB commissioner Bud Selig, though he was conveniently in Milwaukee on Tuesday, despite Team USA making its World Baseball Classic debut here at Chase Field. An MLB spokesperson said Selig hadn't seen the book and had no comment regarding the book's allegations.Then again, what can Selig do other than secretly root that Fainaru-Wada and Williams got it right? In so many ways MLB, the owners and the Players Association share part of the blame for creating this situation. For years they were helpless -- or clueless -- when it came to addressing the issue of performance-enhancing drugs.Faced with a choice of remaining true to the game, or becoming what he once despised, Bonds allegedly chose home runs over ethics. But even as his numbers increased almost exponentially, as kayak-gridlock became commonplace at McCovey's Cove, as the countdown to baseball immortality became more pronounced, there was always an uneasiness about Bonds' accomplishments. They didn't seem, for the lack of a better word, natural.Bonds has his defenders -- lot's of them, including Derrek Lee, the Chicago Cubs All-Star first baseman who is everything Bonds isn't: a player who handles himself with grace and dignity. Lee hadn't heard of the book excerpt until he was asked about it after Team USA's 2-0 victory against Mexico."What's the story?" he said. "I don't know the story."It was explained: detailed allegations of performance-enhancing drug use by Bonds.Lee dismissed the latest revelations. It wasn't a story, he said. Bonds has never been caught using steroids. Leave him alone."People have been alleging him forever," Lee said.Lee believes Bonds. I don't, and never will. I don't believe in coincidences, or physical transformations so stark that you do a double-take. I don't believe the numbers of 2001.The tragedy of it all is that Bonds didn't need the alleged chemical boost. His legacy was secure. His Hall of Fame plaque was a done deal. It didn't matter if we thought he was a jerk because his statistics were so overpowering. No longer.In recent years, perception was reality when it came to Bonds and the subject of steroid use. But this latest excerpt, complete with his smarmy grand jury testimony, convinces me reality is reality when applied to Bonds.Earlier Tuesday afternoon, about an hour or so before Team USA's game, Alex Rodriguez was asked about the death of Hall of Famer Kirby Puckett, who died a day earlier from complications stemming from a major stroke."One of the saddest days in baseball for me," said A-Rod.I felt the same way Tuesday. This time it was the death of a reputation.Barry Bonds, rest in peace.Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Eats It Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,088 Content Count: 8,158 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/11/2004 Share Posted March 8, 2006 He's abolutely right... Bonds WAS a great player (still is, although a cheater) and a lock for the hall of fame.  Through 1998, he averaged 31.61 HR per year through 13 years.  If he'd have kept that average up, which he probably could have, he'd be going into this season with 632, 4th on the all time list instead of 3rd, chasing Willie Mays.Instead, he cheated and destroyed his credibility.  All for a net gain of 76 home runs over 7 years.  Did he really think you could cheat, inject cattle steroids, chase Hank and the most hallowed record of all time, and not go under the microscope?It's disgusting.  And the Giants come to Tropicana Field this year.  I will be there out the field (if Barry's playing and not on IR or DHing) screaming "Steroids!"  at the top of my lungs.F him.  Cheater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Through 1998, he averaged 31.61 HR per game through 13 years.  F him.  Cheater. He must be cheating to avg over 31 homers per GAME but ditto the "F him" comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioBull Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 45 Content Count: 473 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2004 Share Posted March 8, 2006 I thought Bonds was the freak, but Smazza and anyone else who supports him is a bigger freak. How can a cheater continue to be lifted up in our society to some level of greatness (or worse yet a role model in some eyes). I am sorry, but this is a sign of some horrible things in our culture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velcro Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 999 Content Count: 19,229 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/14/2002 Author Share Posted March 8, 2006 Are you really surprised that a california lawyer would be for something horrible in our culture ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
___ Eats It Posted March 8, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 1,088 Content Count: 8,158 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/11/2004 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Tsk, you know what I meant... I edited my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smazza Posted March 9, 2006 Group: Member Topic Count: 9,898 Content Count: 66,091 Reputation: 2,434 Days Won: 172 Joined: 01/01/2001 Share Posted March 9, 2006 his every move WILL BE followed by all tv networks and his tv crewhe will get more attention than any other athlete everthe chase has startedall of you will watch bonds with excited anticipationyeah you will all come on the board and bash him while secretly wishing bonds was on the team you liked he is the man and will always be even if bonds haters and racebatersall of you would want bonds on your team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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